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Ten Driver
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Posted - January 29 2018 :  8:23:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haha! A perfect ending, or rear ending . . .
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Pop Pop
Senior Member

USA
841 Posts

Posted - January 31 2018 :  08:45:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Planning to take the 2.0 on it's first outing, using the Aker belt slide holster, to church tonight. I have been wearing it around the house to break it in. As Evan always says, I will dress around the gun so I can discretely conceal carry the pistol and keep it out of sight. It carries well and is not too difficult to get too for the draw. Finally got my DPX ammo in and will take it out and test fire several rounds of DPX to see if it will shoot it reliably this afternoon.

I will switch my usual EDC (7 shot revolver) to my weak side pocket, but still have it on me for backup. I will say the draw stroke with the belt slide holster is a bit easier than the pocket draw, very much so when seated. I always sit at the back of the auditorium to the right hand side of our entrance doors so my draw stroke will be behind me as I look left toward the doors.

We have a guy who is military, and has sporadically visited our church. He sometimes open carries and our team always gets nervous when they see him. He had a very tight fitting vest on, last Sunday, but you could see the bulge on his hip at the 4:00 "o" clock position. One of our volunteers ushers noticed as he entered the entrance door and came immediately to me and reported that they believed he had a gun. The person he sit down in front of seen the pistol, as he seated himself, and immediate looked back at me and discretely pointed to the gun. I gave her the thumbs up and pointed to my side to let her know I seen the gun.

Open carry or sloppy concealment always scares those around the persons surrounding them. I just don't understand open or sloppy concealed carry guys. Too me, it just looks like he wants to be looked at as "the tough guy" or something. I am not complaining about the usher coming and pointing him out to me because that is what we should do and tell others to be aware also. In this case I have seen the guy previously and talked to him, but the other ushers had not.



I am still waiting on the church leaders to give us the go ahead to have a meeting with our whole adult congregation, too do some informal safety training with them. We have come to the conclusion that we can't afford professional training. The ones we have checked with are in the hundreds of dollars range. By the way I have finally got through to our ushers that when I am not there one of them needs to take my place. I am so glad that we have 3 dependable guys that will do that and so they will not have to depend on me to be the leader. I always inform one of them if I am not going to attend.

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Adj1
Senior Member

USA
509 Posts

Posted - February 07 2018 :  11:20:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WOW!just the sort of discussion I was looking for! I have been mulling the purchase of a 9mm for some time, to complement my Match Champion.357 Magnum.

I looked at a full sized 2.0 several weeks ago, and it fit my hand better than most guns I have handled. I like it! One problem; the checkering was so sharp, it was painful to grip! This was before the 2.0 Compact was announced.
I figured, if I did buy one, I could always sand the checkering to round off the sharp points some to make it tolerable, or just wait, until the new gun bugs get corrected, like they did with my SW 22, and/or casting molds get a bit worn.

Question: I have read several opinions that the Federal or other 115 gr. standard velocity rounds are very good and reliable... unfortunately, I don't have access to "STOPPING POWER" or "STREET STOPPERS" any more, and can't check it, so How are the newer 124 gr. rounds superior the older 115s? Or are they?

As far as sloppy or open carry is concerned, If there should come trouble, I want the fact I am carrying to be a BIG surprise to my assailant!

Thanx!

Democracy is two coyotes and a sheep debating the dinner menu. Liberty is a well armed sheep, willing to contest the outcome of the vote.

Edited by - Adj1 on February 07 2018 11:23:58 AM
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Ten Driver
Advanced Member

1793 Posts

Posted - February 08 2018 :  01:21:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

The big difference is that the 124 grain loads generally handle intermediate barriers better than the 115s.

V/R
Mike
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oldmuleskinner
Senior Member

844 Posts

Posted - February 08 2018 :  02:24:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have no problem with open carry when I am camping, at the range, or hiking in the out of doors.

Anyplace else, I think it is stupid.

Like ADJ, I want the fact that I am carrying to big a BIG surprise to whoever needs to see what I am carrying!

Each of us is an innkeeper, and we decide if there is room for Jesus.
Neal A. Maxwell
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Evan
Administrator

34312 Posts

Posted - February 08 2018 :  12:05:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Recently horse traded for a full sized M&P 9MM and a new Shield-original version, also in 9MM. Both shoot just fine for me and I carry them both daily.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Pop Pop
Senior Member

USA
841 Posts

Posted - February 08 2018 :  3:32:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have really taken a liking to the M P 2.0 9 C. Carried it to church again last evening. Wore a L L Bean long tail flannel shirt. Worked and concealed fine in the Aker Belt slide holster at the 4 PM position.

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pochis
New Member

USA
79 Posts

Posted - February 14 2018 :  4:48:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i will be getting one by the end of the wk, it's on order.
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Pat Taylor
New Member

USA
50 Posts

Posted - February 14 2018 :  10:29:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now the bad news....the M&P pistols do have some quirks. I do like the pistols and own several and as far as plastic pistols go they are my choice.

Trigger pulls vary from pistol to pistol on my 2.0s as well as my first gen models. Apex kits give a nice break (for a plastic pistol but not 1911 break) but often require a bit of tuning from time to time to keep them that way. Mine have not been as reliable at setting off rounds as my hammered 1911s , mine have factory striker springs.

On the first gen some slides drop when mag inserted , some do not. I have seen one that could not be dropped pushing down on both right and left slide stop levers at the same time. Some work with a file on the slide stop notch in the slide will fix them.

Mag drop... 1st gen no issues but the 2.0 seems to be held a little tighter on tolerances. Some mags will swell enough when loaded they will not drop free. They measure .006 - .010 wider than the others. Used long enough they do not drop free when empty , have a couple marked to hit on a belt sander but have not tried that yet to see if they stay fixed or swell again. I also load 14 and not 15 rounds , 14 will do it but not as bad as a full 15 rounds.

Accuracy....mine are all .40s and I also have a KKM barrels in .40 and 357sig. I suppose they are about average for plastic pistols and mine shoot about as well as the Glock 35 I had for a while. The 357sig barrel is probably the most accurate MP set up I have. When shooting one next to one of my 1911s there is a noticeable difference in accuracy.

Thumb safety is mushy and easier to move than it should be. It can be stiffened up but still lacking compared to a 1911.

Legal disclaimer....these are only my opinions and your findings may vary. Pistols used are compact , full size and 5" pro 1st gen MPs and 2.0 thumb safety 5 inch models. All in .40 caliber from S&W.

summary....the more I play with plastic the more I like steel.





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LfiGrad
New Member

USA
90 Posts

Posted - May 24 2018 :  2:01:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I purchased a 2.0 Compact a few months ago. I also purchased from the Ammo Dump 2000 rounds of Perfecta
115 gr @ 179 per case and 1500 rounds of 9mm NATO at $99 per 500 rd. case and seven 50rd boxes of Gold dot 124 gr.+P.
The Gold dots were at the time 25.95 per box. All were free freight so I could not resist. I like the Ammo Dump because anything I order, I usually get the next day (we are both in Florida)

All the ammo is now gone (with the exception of two 50 rd. boxes of Gold Dot which is now my carry load in this gun) so I have a very accurate estimation of how many rounds I have put through it.

Looking at the gun at my LGS, I was impressed with how well it felt is my small Donald Trump Hands. I was also impressed by how great the stippling felt in my hands.
I can't comment on the sights because I never got a chance to use them as I had the dealer install a set of TruGlow sights. Sights $78 installed and $425 for the gun.

This is a very easy gun to shoot and I was a little surprised by how high my scores were. The gun stays glued in my hand and recoil felt very light and I know 9mm NATO is not a light load. In fact, fired side by side, I could not tell the difference between the NATO and the 125 Gold dot+P. In almost 4000 rounds,including 250 rounds of Gold Dot, the 2.0 functioned absolutely flawless. After initial cleaning and lube, I cleaned my gun every 400 rounds aprox. 400 rounds was about two trips to the range.

There is almost nothing negative to say about this gun, well, maybe a few things... I wish the thumb safety needed a little more force to disengage. Some have described it as "mushy" The clicks from on and off are audable and prounounced so there is never any doubt when you click it on or off. I thought I would need to do something about it, but, in the few months I have had it, it has never disengaged itself and I pretty much got used to it. On the other hand, if it did somehow click itself off, it would not amount to anything since on or off, my thump will push down on it on the draw anyway.

I have, with the exception of 2 days carrying my Shield, carried this gun every day under a semi-loose Tshirt. I really like this gun a lot and although the shield may be in my pants from time to time, this 2.0 Compact is my new favorite carry gun .

I am adding this on "edit"

The trigger is not "crisp". I mention this because the crisp trigger is one of the selling points in the new 2.0s but, alas it is not. Granted, it is not as "uncrisp" as a Glock, but crisp is something where it either is, or it is not, and this gun is not. It has gotten better in 4000 rounds and at least as many dry fires, but it is still not "crisp". But maybe, if there was such a thing as "almost crisp" then I would say we are now "almost crisp"

Edited again to add this:

I never liked ambidextrous safeties and was looking for someone locally to "fix" it, but then I discovered something. I DO like it. And since I always carry crossdraw I can now draw the gun with either hand and click off safety.














If my only choice was a loaded .25 or an unloaded .45, I would choose the empty .45. They both have the same stopping power, but the empty 1911 looks a lot more convincing and makes a better club.

Edited by - LfiGrad on May 24 2018 2:45:32 PM
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happyguy
Junior Member

USA
109 Posts

Posted - May 28 2018 :  10:39:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I acquired a 2.0 Compact in a trade awhile back that had a really bad "hitch" in the trigger. Running my finger over the trigger bar where it contacts the FPS revealed a large burr which was quickly fixed with a ceramic stone.

To me the trigger seems too light for a carry gun. I like a little more feedback during the take up than the stock setup so I purchased a heavier trigger return spring from APEX. I haven't installed it yet but it is supposed to up the weight by about a pound. It also comes with a heavier sear spring, but I really like the way it breaks as is, so I will probably hold off on installing it.

The other thing I noticed is there is a very sharp edge on the rear sight that always manages to find a tender spot and always leaves a mark.

Other than that I really like the gun and it may become my edc once I get it all put together.

Oh, reliability has been 100% through about 600 rds of mixed FMJ and hollowpoint ammo.

Edited by - happyguy on May 28 2018 10:43:53 AM
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happyguy
Junior Member

USA
109 Posts

Posted - May 28 2018 :  10:43:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I acquired a 2.0 Compact in a trade awhile back that had a really bad "hitch" in the trigger. Running my finger over the trigger bar where it contacts the FPS revealed a large burr which was quickly fixed with a ceramic stone.

To me the trigger seems too light for a carry gun. I like a little more feedback during the take up than the stock setup so I purchased a heavier trigger return spring from APEX. I haven't installed it yet but it is supposed to up the weight by about a pound. It also comes with a heavier sear spring, but I really like the way it breaks as is, so I will probably hold off on installing it.

The other thing I noticed is there is a very sharp edge on the rear sight that always manages to find a tender spot.

Other than that I really like the gun and it may become my edc once I get it all put together.

Oh, reliability has been 100% through about 600 rds of mixed FMJ and hollowpoint ammo.
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