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Ten Driver
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Posted - November 20 2017 :  4:25:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, YOU are the one who beat my bid!

Glad you're enjoying the site Bill, and hope you'll enjoy that "new" holster. Don Hume has always made great stuff. I have a few new Hume Jordan photos that we're going to retroactively add to that post in the next week or two.

Mike
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LittleBill
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Posted - November 20 2017 :  4:30:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Looking forward to your writeup on the M19.... and the K6S....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

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WR Moore
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Posted - November 28 2017 :  1:37:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just ran across this thread. About the new manufacturing....I spent several years as a production and prototype machinist and much longer as a gunsmith. The CNC machines have both higher production than the average machinist working with manual machines and MUCH better dimensional tolerances. At least so long as the setup person knows their stuff. Even back in the old days it wasn't unusual to employ a setup specialist to set the machine tooling and a machine operator to produce the parts. Sometimes "machine operator" was a title that wasn't deserved.

I'm old enough to remember sintered parts as produced by Colt & Dan Wesson. Sintering was putting metal powder into a mold and heating it. If you got the temperatures just right, good part. All too often, you got something that looked like a good part, but once the surface layer wore, the underlying metal particles would just crumble away.

From what I've seen working on some of the S&W parts, MIM is in another class entirely. The parts I saw were well finished, harder than the hinges of heck to substantial depth and solid. They might not have the sentimental value, appearance or the ability to work with older non-MIM parts, but they're very, very good.

Some of what has happened is the manufacturers reaction to customer demand. There isn't all that much demand for revolvers, they are more expensive to produce and no one wants to pay what it costs to produce real quality. Remember two things: S&W gets around 1/3 of MSRP when the product leaves the plant and their primary drive is to stay in business. To do that, ya gotta keep the customers coming back. Fixing the occasional item that is less than stellar is cheaper than the alternative. i'll also note that everyone (H&H, Westley Richards et al excluded) produces the occasional clunker. The measure of quality is how fast and well they rectify their less than wonderful products.
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LittleBill
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Posted - December 09 2017 :  4:56:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This from the New York Post:

“The company that owns gun maker Smith & Wesson got hammered by investors Friday after it revealed its earnings plunged 90 percent in the most recent quarter.

Shares of American Outdoor Brands, which changed its name from Smith & Wesson early this year, saw its shares drop 9.5 percent to $13.51 as it revealed net income in the quarter ended Oct. 31 fell to $3.2 million from $32.5 million a year ago.

The gun maker reported a 36.4 percent decline in sales — to $148.4 million — driven by nearly a 50-percent drop in the company’s firearms segment.”


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

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WR Moore
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Posted - December 09 2017 :  7:51:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The glass is half full types (bulls) would regard this as a buying opportunity. Remington is in even worse shape.
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Pop Pop
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Posted - December 09 2017 :  8:14:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This happens every time there is a feast market(8yrs Obama). They never make the transition and cut back production soon enough. All of the big companies are down in sales.

Pop Pop
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LittleBill
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Posted - December 10 2017 :  11:14:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sure... after 8 years of The Greatest Gun Salesman Ever— or perhaps I should say, in the spirit of Identity Politics which is sweeping our nation, The Greatest African-American Gun Salesman Ever— things were bound to slow down.

The only thing that might conceivably top Obama’s achievement would be, say, ‘The Greatest Transgender Gun Salesperson of Color’— say, if Hillary had won, “transitioned” to a male, and “identified” as a POC— which, even given “the remarkable strides we’ve made”, seems a bit too much to hope for....

So back to reality.... All things being equal, as a patriotic American, concerned for our economy, and the efect this inevitable downturn is having on my fellow citizens, I consider it my sacred duty to keep on buying guns, Barack or no Barack.

But when a company that used to produce great guns, decides the smart thing to do is to cut back on quality, and hope nobody notices the diference... I’d rather do my part in driving up the prices of the older ones....

“I may be dumb, but I’m not stupid!”


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on December 10 2017 11:35:26 AM
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