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jle3030
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Posted - April 14 2019 :  6:59:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

it's all a political fight, criminal charges are unimportant, and not likely to stick in any case

whoever controls the Government in 2020, wins the battle

Fortunately the Dems are going hog wild and pig crazy with their rush to the left. They're adopting a number of radical positions that are out of step with mainstream America. Do they think they can turn American voters' opinion that far left in just the next eighteen months?

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - April 14 2019 :  7:55:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think there's a very good chance that elections are rigged, that the DOJ is corrupt , that US intelligence services have been weaponized, and the media is spewing pure propaganda in every direction.

anything is possible from here on.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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rev.
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Posted - April 14 2019 :  8:54:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hhhmmmmmmm.....and I thought I was a pessimist!
God help us all (uh, is it still ok to invoke God?)
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Ace
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Posted - April 14 2019 :  9:27:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Only if you're serious, rev. And in the privacy of your home, not in public.

Seems to me the 'new' baby hard-line dead-set Socialist Dems are scaring the old-timey Socialist-but-not-out-loud-too-much Old Guard; yet the oldsters can't be too vocal, publicly, about trying to shut the youngsters up. That part is comical. Hopefully, the real conservative Repubs will have the sense to play them to the hilt for the '20 elections. Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?
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LittleBill
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  12:58:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Indeed!

You can almost hear ‘em: “What are they doing? Sure, we want all that stuff... but hasn’t anybody told them? You’re not supposed to say it...”

And yeah: hopefully normal Americans will sit up and take notice: “These idiots have lost touch with reality....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on April 15 2019 01:03:46 AM
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jle3030
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  07:25:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's encouraging to see the old line Socialist Democrats are as timid and uncommitted (beyond mere rhetoric) as the Republican RINOs. I guess you get that way after getting reelected for a few terms and making big bucks in the Swamp.

Jeff

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LittleBill
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  09:08:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You’ve hit on it, Jeff: what they all want most of all, is to stay right where they are: in that ‘catbird seat’ where they wield power and influence. They’ve become addicted to enjoying the feeling of privilege and prestige, of being that important person who everyone looks up to. And where a lucrative job awaits them after they retire.

Staying in office, getting re-elected, not being voted out of the DC Club of Important People: that becomes their primary concern. Not doing what’s right; doing whatever they think will keep them in power.

Of course, they’ll insist it’s not like that.... and some of ‘em may even believe it: they may have convinced themselves that the reason they want to remain in power, is that it’s “best for our country”...

But as an old counseling prof advised me: pay attention to what they do, not what they say....



"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on April 15 2019 09:13:56 AM
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gw
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  09:14:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
all the nonsense coming from our political class, past and present, emboldens our enemies.

China, Russia, Iran merely plan to wait out this President, see if they can get a better deal

in the meantime they create profiles on all the national politicians that run to a microphone and declare themselves essential

gathering intelligence is as easy as turning on the cable news

want to "influence" an election, take the political issue of the day and double down on social media.

the disaster on the southern border is an example

want to create economic pressure on the US, don't sweat it, the opposing party will talk down the US economy for you, got to win the next election,the Country be damned

an united front against our enemy is not a possibility.....


"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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LittleBill
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  09:27:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

I think there's a very good chance that elections are rigged, that the DOJ is corrupt , that US intelligence services have been weaponized, and the media is spewing pure propaganda in every direction.

anything is possible from here on.....


quote:
Originally posted by gw

all the nonsense coming from our political class, past and present, emboldens our enemies.

China, Russia, Iran merely plan to wait out this President, see if they can get a better deal

in the meantime they create profiles on all the national politicians that run to a microphone and declare themselves essential

gathering intelligence is as easy as turning on the cable news

want to "influence" an election, take the political issue of the day and double down on social media.

the disaster on the southern border is an example

want to create economic pressure on the US, don't sweat it, the opposing party will talk down the US economy for you, got to win the next election,the Country be damned

an united front against our enemy is not a possibility.....


You paint a grim picture... which I can’t find any fault with: unfortunately, I suspect you’re right... one thing the war against Trump has shown us, is how prevalent the Deep State is, on both sides of the aisle...

I suspect that what most upset them, was the fact that this last Presidential election somehow escaped being rigged: to everyone’s surprise, millions of people came out and voted Donald Trump into office...

And now the powers-that-be are bound and determined to not let that happen again....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast
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LittleBill
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  3:15:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Back to the subject of the OP: the MIT Technology Review of 4/10/19 has an article entitled: “Chinese scientists have put human brain genes in monkeys—and yes, they may be smarter”.

Nanobot-powered cloud-connected brains may be possible in the distant future.... but genetically-engineered humans are coming soon...


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast
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Chris Christian
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  3:43:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

Back to the subject of the OP: the MIT Technology Review of 4/10/19 has an article entitled: “Chinese scientists have put human brain genes in monkeys—and yes, they may be smarter”.

Nanobot-powered cloud-connected brains may be possible in the distant future.... but genetically-engineered humans are coming soon...





LB...Here's a thought... putting human brain cells into socialist libs might possibly make them smarter. A least, maybe smarter than monkeys.
BUT... this nano cloud thingy-do could be really cool if we engineer it right!

How 'bout if we insert nano-brain thingys into all these socialist libs brains connecting into a one-way pathway into Rush Limbaugh's brain!

OMG!! Could you just imagine hearing AOC sounding intelligent... how about Bernie "feeling a new burn". Even Polosi might benefit with an infusion of functional verbal literacy.

This could be HUGE!


Chris Christian
There are those who make things happen. There are those who watch things happen. There are those who wonder What The Heck happened! Pick one.

Edited by - Chris Christian on April 15 2019 3:44:49 PM
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LittleBill
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Posted - April 15 2019 :  5:25:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Awesome! I think the idea has great potential....

As long as we have ways to make sure that it’s not a two-way connection: I wouldn’t want to do that to Rush...



As far as AOC sounding intelligent... though I understand the concept... my imagination just won’t stretch that far...


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on April 15 2019 5:27:31 PM
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LittleBill
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Posted - April 19 2019 :  8:00:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

Is it a coincidence the Assange was finally grabbed right after the Mueller report was finalized.....

I think he'll be offered a deal for information he has about the 2016 election

AG Barr is collecting evidence


Just to get things rolling again: here are excerpts from a letter to President Trump— which he apparently never got— by ‘Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity’, a group of former intelligence agents; courtesy of Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief.

It’s lengthy, but worth posting, IMO, in our ongoing discussions about these matters— especially since nobody has been posting anything lately!

Remarks in [...] are Skousen’s commentary:

 
“... judging by Attorney General William Barr’s 4-page summary, the Mueller report will leave unscathed the central-but-unproven allegation that the Russian government hacked into the DNC and Podesta emails, gave them to WikiLeaks to publish...Mueller has accepted that central-but-unproven allegation as gospel truth, apparently in the lack of any disinterested, independent forensic work.
 
Following the odd example of his erstwhile colleague, former FBI Director James Comey, Mueller apparently has relied for forensics on a discredited, DNC-hired firm named CrowdStrike, whose credibility is on a par with “[...] dossier” compiler Christopher Steele. Like Steele, CrowdStrike was hired and paid by the DNC (through a cutout).
 
We brought the lack of independent forensics to the attention of Attorney General William Barr on March 13 in a Memorandum entitled “Mueller’s Forensic-Free Findings”, but received no reply or acknowledgment. [no surprise there, since Barr is Deep State]

In that Memorandum we described the results of our own independent, agenda-free forensic investigation led by two former Technical Directors of the NSA, who avoid squishy “assessments,” preferring to base their findings on fundamental principles of science and the scientific method. Our findings remain unchallenged; they reveal gaping holes in CrowdStrike’s conclusions.
 
There remains, however, a huge fly in the ointment. Barr’s summary makes it clear that Mueller accepts as a given — an evidence-impoverished given — that the Russian government interfered in the election on two tracks:
 
Track 1involves what Barr, echoing Mueller, claims “a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA)” did in using social media “to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election.” A careful look at this allegation shows it to be without merit, despite Herculean efforts by the NY Times, for example, to put lipstick on this particular pig.

Track 2 does need informed commentary, since it is more technical. In Barr’s words: “The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations... ”
 
We are eager to see if Mueller’s report contains more persuasive forensic evidence than that which VIPS has already debunked. In Barr’s summary, the only mention of forensics refers to “forensic accountants” — a far cry from the kind of forensic investigators needed to provide convincing proof of “hacking” by the Russian government.
 
The evidence-impoverished, misleadingly labeled “Intelligence Community Assessment” of January 6, 2017 had one saving grace. The authors noted: “The nature of cyberspace makes attribution of cyber operations difficult but not impossible. Every kind of cyber operation — malicious or not — leaves a trail.” Forensic investigators can follow a trail of metadata and other technical properties. VIPS has done that.

If, as we strongly suspect, Mueller is relying for forensics solely on CrowdStrike, the discredited firm hired by the DNC in the spring of 2016, he is acting more in the mold of Inspector Clouseau than the crackerjack investigator he is reputed to be. It simply does not suffice for Mueller’s former colleague James Comey to tell Congress that CrowdStrike is a “high-class entity.” It is nothing of the sort and, in addition to its documented incompetence, it is riddled with conflicts of interest. Comey needs to explain why he kept the FBI away from the DNC computers after they were said to have been “hacked.”
 
And former National Intelligence Director James Clapper needs to explain his claim last November that “the forensic evidence was overwhelming about what the Russians had done.” What forensic evidence? From CrowdStrike? We at VIPS, in contrast, are finding more and more forensic evidence that the DNC emails were leaked, not hacked by the Russians or anyone else — and that “Guccifer 2.0” is an out-and-out fraud. Yes, we can prove that from forensics too.

We in VIPS have repeatedly demonstrated that the core charges of Russian interference in the 2016 election are built on a house of cards. But, despite our record of accuracy on this issue — not to mention our pre-Iraq-war warnings about the fraudulent intelligence served up by our former colleagues — we have gotten no play in mainstream media.
 
Most of us have chalked up decades in the intelligence business and many have extensive academic and government experience focusing on Russia. We consider the issue of “Russian interference” of overriding significance not only because the allegation is mischievously bogus and easily disproven.
 
On the intelligence/forensics side, we have proved that the evidence adduced to “prove” that the Russians hacked into the DNC and Podesta emails and gave them to WikiLeaks is spurious. For example, we have examined metadata from one key document attributed to Russian hacking and shown that it was synthetically tainted with “Russian fingerprints.”

So, if it wasn’t the Russians, who left the “Russian” bread-crumb “fingerprints” [then who?] We do not know for sure; on this question we cannot draw a conclusion based on the principles of science — at least not yet. We suspect, however, that cyber warriors closer to home were responsible for inserting the “tell-tale signs” necessary to attribute “hacks” to Russia. We tacked on our more speculative views regarding this intriguing issue onto the end of our July 24, 2017 Memorandum to you entitled “Intelligence Veterans Challenge Russia Hack Evidence”
 
[from the above link] “Key among the findings of the independent forensic investigations is the conclusion that the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack. Of equal importance, the forensics show that the copying was performed on the East coast of the U.S.” [not from Russia]
 
We recall that you were apprised of that Memorandum’s key findings because you ordered then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo to talk to William Binney, one of our two former NSA Technical Directors and one of the principal authors of that Memorandum. On October 24, 2017, Pompeo began an hour-long meeting with Binney by explaining the genesis of the odd invitation to CIA Headquarters: “You are here because the president told me that if I really wanted to know about Russian hacking I needed to talk to you.”
 
On the chance Pompeo has given you no report on his meeting with Binney, [Pompeo did not report to Trump] we can tell you that Binney, a plain-spoken, widely respected scientist, began by telling Pompeo that his (CIA) people were lying to him about Russian hacking and that he (Binney) could prove it. Pompeo reacted with disbelief, but then talked of following up with the FBI and NSA. We have no sign, though, that he followed through. And there is good reason to believe that Pompeo himself may have been reluctant to follow up with his subordinates in the Directorate of Digital Innovation created by CIA Director John Brennan in 2015. CIA malware and hacking tools are built by the Engineering Development Group, part of that relatively new Directorate.

A leak from within the CIA, published on March 31, 2017 by WikiLeaks as part of the so-called “Vault 7” disclosures, exposed a cyber tool called “Marble,” which was used during 2016 for“obfuscation” (CIA’s word). This tool can be used to conduct a forensic attribution double game (aka a false-flag operation); it included test samples in Arabic, Chinese, Farsi, Korean, and Russian. Washington Post reporter Ellen Nakashima, to her credit, immediately penned an informative article on the Marble cyber-tool, under the catching (and accurate) headline “WikiLeaks’ latest release of CIA cyber-tools could blow the cover on agency hacking operations.” That was apparently before Nakashima “got the memo.” Mainstream media have otherwise avoided like the plague any mention of Marble.
 
Mr. President, we do not know if CIA’s Marble, or tools like it, played some kind of role in the campaign to blame Russia for hacking the DNC. Nor do we know how candid the denizens of CIA’s Directorate of Digital Innovation have been with the White House — or with former Director Pompeo — on this touchy issue. Since it is still quite relevant, we will repeat below a paragraph included in our July 2017 Memorandum to you under the sub-heading “Putin and the Technology:”

“Putin pointed out that today’s technology enables hacking to be “masked and camouflaged to an extent that no one can understand the origin” [of the hack] … And, vice versa, it is possible to set up any entity or any individual that everyone will think that they are the exact source of that attack. Hackers may be anywhere,” he said. “There may be hackers, by the way, in the United States who very craftily and professionally passed the buck to Russia.”
 
As we told Attorney General Barr five weeks ago, we consider Mueller’s findings fundamentally flawed on the forensics side and ipso facto [by the very fact] incomplete. We also criticized Mueller for failing to interview willing witnesses with direct knowledge, like WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange.
 
You may be unaware that in March 2017 lawyers for Assange and the Justice Department (acting on behalf of the CIA) reportedly were very close to an agreement under which Assange would agree to discuss “technical evidence ruling out certain parties” in the leak of the DNC emails” and agree to redact some classified CIA information, in exchange for limited immunity. According to the investigative reporter John Solomon of The Hill, Sen. Mark Warner, D,VA, Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, learned of the incipient deal and told then-FBI Director Comey, who ordered an abrupt “stand down” and an end to the discussions with Assange. [One of the reasons Assange was arrested and silenced.]

[The above documents how the Deep State and their gatekeepers surrounding the president and embedded in the Department of Justice keep crucial knowledge of coverups away from the president.]”




"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on April 19 2019 8:06:50 PM
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jle3030
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Posted - April 20 2019 :  3:30:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any way you cut this we have the Deep State investigating the Deep State. It's probably best not to expect any momentous results, regardless of time and money expended.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - April 20 2019 :  4:17:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
that's the way it seems

Mueller's mission was to cover for the FBI

The Democrat hacks he had on his team were allowed to spin the results the way they wanted.

all the usual suspects will be taken care of

D.C. will maintain it's power.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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