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LEO45ACP
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USA
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Posted - July 07 2005 :  11:26:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Unfortunatly Im having problems carrying to much weight on my hip on my duty rig. Ive had severe back problems in the past and numerous surgeries. Its actually a miracle Im working at all let alone pushing a midnigt beat car around and still making pinches. Im afraid Im going to have to lighten the load and only go with my P-220 and 4 spare mags. Its either that or go back to my wheelgun.

Im not happy about it. I have confidence in the SIG, and Im pretty good with it, but Im not happy about it......... .45

"Have you hugged your kid today"?

ACP230
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1074 Posts

Posted - July 07 2005 :  11:53:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ankle holster?
Kramer shirt holster?

"Never part with your weapons when you are in the field. You never know when, on some lengthy plain, you may suddenly need your spear." Old Norse saying.
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Dr Liv
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1613 Posts

Posted - July 07 2005 :  11:59:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Suspenders!
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E4E
Moderator

USA
6451 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  12:08:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
45,

Give the suspenders a run if you havn't already.

They really seem to help with our gangs loadout/pain factor.

If PDog could geton the Forum, he no doubt could add some details.

I would ask that ya at least try an ankle rig in the meantime.

Ya work in a rather unpleasant area don't ya know.;)

Thanks for keepin' at it.
E4E


Keep the Rifle handy!
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walt farr
Advanced Member

2552 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  06:46:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you are wearing a double cuff case switch to two singles or go to two doubles. Helps a lot of backs because you sit in a more normal position rather than the angle one double forces. Also one of the best things I did for my back was to buy an inversion table...less than 300 bucks. A couple of minutes 2-3 times a week is all it takes for me.

Edited by - walt farr on July 08 2005 08:40:21 AM
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HenryJ
Average Member

400 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  10:36:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not an LEO, but as a former back injury sufferer, I'd like to ask anyone wearing a duty belt to NOT have anything centered on the back of the belt. If you should fall backwards, the last thing you need is something hard slamming into your lower vertebrae.

Keep the lever gun handy (next to the revolver)
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LEO45ACP
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USA
1763 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  10:36:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There simply are no options. I have tried them all and have been living with this condition for almost 15 years. I really,realy dont like working with only one gun and wouldnt do so If it wasnt completly necessary.

On the other hand Ive been shooting .45ACPs for over 30 years. And a 9 shot .45 loaded with ashtrays beats a 6 shot wheelgun with 158grn +P LHPs. Its a bad situation all around....... .45

"Have you hugged your kid today"?
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chief
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USA
234 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  12:06:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Perhaps one of the modern lightweight .38's or a Kel-Tec P-32? If you wear a vest maybe a holster on the straps? Also, I quit carrying a wallet and went to a money clip with a card case attached. Balance in the posterior could help with the back. I went to a narrower belt that is threaded through the belt loops on my pants and has the equipment between them, it seems to add support.

Chief
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Skintop911
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USA
1219 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  1:31:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Liv

Suspenders!



+1 on the suspenders.

Also, make an appointment with the DO or MD of your choice, and take all your gear. After a good workup of your problem, he might recommend changes, load variation, and other stuff that may make life easier for you. Friends who have back problems have done this, with some measure of success for each.

"A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good." -Steven Wright
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SavannahSteve
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USA
660 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  6:21:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick,

I gotta believe it's where you are carrying the weight rather than the weight itself that's the problem, and I can't think of a worst place than carrying on your belt if you have back problems. An airweight .38 or .357 J-frame on your ankle pretty well takes your back out of the equation, and you are a big guy and probably wouldn't even notice that one pound of gun riding on your ankle after a time.

Steve
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Dr Liv
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1613 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  7:14:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick,
If all you can carry is one gun, then it's a good thing you also carry a lot of attitude! Good luck, "I feel your pain".

Ever try acupuncture for the back? There are now quite a few MD's who are also chiropractors and acupuncturists, and can use multiple treatment modalities. So you don't have to go to an orthopod who swears everyone else is a quack, then doesn't do squat to help the pain; and you don't have to go to an incense-burning, chanting, alternatives wierdo for acupuncture.

I don't know what your original injury was (disk?), but you might find it interesting that spinal compression fractures can now be treated arthroscopically, by inflating a couple of balloons to re-appose the fragments, and bone cement to glue them back together. My farrier had this procedure after a motocross accident, and he was back to work in 3 weeks shoeing horses! He went through a lot of doctors before he found someone who could do it, though.

"This enemy considers every retreat of the civilized world as an invitation to greater violence. In Iraq, there is no peace without victory. We will keep our nerve, and we will win that victory."

-- President George W. Bush
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HenryJ
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400 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  7:42:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Liv


I don't know what your original injury was (disk?), but you might find it interesting that spinal compression fractures can now be treated arthroscopically, by inflating a couple of balloons to re-appose the fragments, and bone cement to glue them back together. My farrier had this procedure after a motocross accident, and he was back to work in 3 weeks shoeing horses! He went through a lot of doctors before he found someone who could do it, though.



Now THAT'S progress. I had a 70% Comp. fracture of L1 (looks like a pie wedge on its side on the X-Ray). 2 1/2 weeks in hospital, 2 months bed rest at home, and six months in a back brace. Quarter of an inch shorter overall than before the injury. The good news is, I always know when the weather's gonna turn.

Keep the lever gun handy (next to the revolver)
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BobK
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USA
1983 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  10:55:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've seen many of the local cops wearing the suspenders. They said they work great.

Bob

The caliber of the man counts more than the caliber of his gun.
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LEO45ACP
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USA
1763 Posts

Posted - July 08 2005 :  10:59:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the advice. All of you know how carrying just one gun goes against everything I believe in. I have however run out of options, and whatever treatments and surgeries are available Ive already had. My advice to others is to never understimate back surgery. Many surgeons sell them like used cars and you may think you cant be worse off, but your wrong.

Back to "guns". If we werent limited to 147 grn SS rounds I'd probably buy a high capacity 9mm for my one duty gun. Strange how that round has retained a cult following, but not so strange how its cultists rely on jello penetration studys only to justify carrying it. The round is simply not a star in street performance.......... .45

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steelheart
Senior Member

USA
548 Posts

Posted - July 09 2005 :  12:16:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll toss in another vote towards the P32 or the P3AT as a second gun. They don't weigh anything but are much better than harsh language. And there is powerball for it.

I don't know what else to suggest to you, I think you've already got the lightest 45 that's been out for a while. The only thing that's lighter that I can think of is the kahr but as it's just being shipped...

Steelheart

NRA and GOA member
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Slick
Advanced Member

USA
3386 Posts

Posted - July 09 2005 :  01:35:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick, you've commented on everything but the suspenders. Have you ever tried them? Would they even allow you to wear them? You're ex-military, remember how the LBE took that load off your hips and put it up on your shoulders? It worked great for me, and the suspenders helped me heal when my back was thrown out (I was playing blacksmith, not a healthy hobby).
If you can, give them a shot, if not... God Bless you. There is no pain like back pain.
Best of luck

Sic Semper Tyrannis
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LEO45ACP
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USA
1763 Posts

Posted - July 09 2005 :  12:19:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No Slick, I couldnt get away with suspenders. Hey I know! Maybe I can find some that I can wear underneath my vest cover. I wear my BPV in a uniform cover over my shirt.

I'll try and find some and try them.........thanx........Rick

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Gerald
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USA
1455 Posts

Posted - July 10 2005 :  11:21:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LEO45ACP

No Slick, I couldnt get away with suspenders. Hey I know! Maybe I can find some that I can wear underneath my vest cover. I wear my BPV in a uniform cover over my shirt.

I'll try and find some and try them.........thanx........Rick




Rick I just got my Orca Suspenders, they were a little higher than the competion but worth it. They are built like a tank and low profile. Give the people at Orca a call and talk to em. There's a link in the web link forum.

Edited by - Gerald on July 10 2005 11:22:18 AM
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Skintop911
Advanced Member

USA
1219 Posts

Posted - July 10 2005 :  6:43:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gerald

Rick I just got my Orca Suspenders, they were a little higher than the competion but worth it. They are built like a tank and low profile. Give the people at Orca a call and talk to em. There's a link in the web link forum.



Orca stuff is excellent. Overbuilt, fairly priced, and good folks to deal with.

"A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good." -Steven Wright
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whiskeyseal
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135 Posts

Posted - July 10 2005 :  9:45:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LEO45ACP, I use to suffer from severe back pain. I went and saw a foot specialist recomended by my Doc and it turns out the cause of my back pain was my feet, and how I walk. Now I wear inserts and have no problems. Just something to think about
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JWM
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205 Posts

Posted - July 13 2005 :  9:24:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LEO45ACP:

I'm kinda in the same boat as you, but my limitations and restrictions come from shortsighted management and not a back injury. I'm limited to one issued Glock 17 with three hi-cap magazines. No more, no less. 52 rounds total. No other handguns allowed. No "back-up" handguns allowed. When you have to work under those set of circumstances, then a high capacity 9mm does begin to make some sense.
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LEO45ACP
Advanced Member

USA
1763 Posts

Posted - July 29 2005 :  08:12:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Im going to buy these suspenders. I didnt mention it here but the "spine problems" I was having, starting on around the 7th, were in my upper cervical. The condition worsened so much I was forced onto the medical roll because I couldnt handle a weapon with my right arm. Last Sat. I had to go into the E.R. due to the incredable pain and spent the night on morphine.

It was an injury from a squad car accident and the Dept. couldnt/wouldnt send me to a Neuro for 3 weeks. By the time I got to see him I felt 100% better and I should be going back to work soon. Whatever the problem was, and I suspect a disc, it healed on it own. It was so bad I thought it was career ending and I was going to need a fusion.

Now however? It will be back to the street and with all my guns on. Im a very happy camper, "er copper".............. .45

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GLV
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USA
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Posted - July 29 2005 :  3:18:05 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Glad the news is good!!!

'the world is round everywhere'

'The meek will inherit the earth, but only after the last soldier has left it to them in his will'
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BobK
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USA
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Posted - July 29 2005 :  10:33:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Glad it worked out for you. Stay safe out there.

Bob

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Dr Liv
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Posted - July 30 2005 :  4:11:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Take care of yourself, those spinal problems have a way of recurring. You might hate me for even suggesting it, but pilates/yoga classes really gave me back a lot of mobility after my hip fracture. You can't do much for the bones or disks, but the muscles are what hold them in place, and the stretching/strength exercises keep the muscles flexible and in shape. You could rent one of the videos and try the exercises at home, if you didn't want to do a class.

Liv
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LEO45ACP
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USA
1763 Posts

Posted - July 31 2005 :  03:19:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Liv. Yes I do a lot of exercises and have been thru a few famous rehab centers for my back. What cured me on this one is since its duty related the Dept. took over three weeks to set up a appt with an approved neuro. During that span,whatever was wrong "and I suspect a disc", "healed".

I normally stretch and do back/stomach strengthening every day. And pump iron 4 times a week. I dont wish that pain I went thru on anyone...... .45

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