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v1rot8
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USA
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Posted - October 07 2003 :  6:58:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With due diligence given to a search, I wasn't able to find the answer to this question. So if anyone has the info at there fingertips, I would appreciate it...
What sort of vel./penetration performance can be expected from Winchester White Box .357 mag 110gr JHP? How is the quality and reliablity? It's for my 3" SP101. I was looking for the Fed. in that version but could not find it locally. This one is in abundance and reasonably priced. I'm presently carrying Corbon .38 +P+ 110gr. Like them alot. The Fed 357B is still a little too stout for rapid, accurate follow-up shots. Thanks.

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GLV
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Posted - October 07 2003 :  7:26:37 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have shot a lot of it, and quality and reliability has been excellent. Never any failure to fire. Excellent accuracy out of 3 and 4 inch guns.

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walt farr
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Posted - October 07 2003 :  8:22:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Federal 110 magnum is discontinued.
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Keith
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Posted - October 07 2003 :  11:39:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The generic 110-grain Winchester jhp load is good stuff out of a snubby .357 revolver. So good, in fact, that it'll do about as well as any of the "premium" SD loads in a short-barreled .357 wheelgun. I personally wouldn't hesitate to use it in my SP101 and consider myself well-armed.

If it's plentiful and affordable, that means you can get in a lot of training and practice...and that's the key to survival in the end. A "good" defensive load is one that will do it's part if you do yours...and the 110-grain Winchester is fine within the performance envelope of your .357 Ruger.

Buy a bunch of that stuff and start practicing, see if you can pass Jim Higginbotham's practical marksmanship test series and let us know how it works for you. Sounds like you have some fun times coming up.

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Gerald
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USA
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Posted - October 08 2003 :  12:56:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cheap at Walmart and easily controlled I like this load also. I will say this if used from a short barreled magnum at night if you don't hit you'll fry em with the muzzle blast. I once let another officer fire my S&W M-65 3in at dusk with this load and he was convinced I slipped him overloaded handloads, as he felt no factory load should have a muzzle flash that looked like a small nuclear explosion

Edited by - Gerald on October 08 2003 12:57:28 AM
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Pitbull
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Posted - October 08 2003 :  02:00:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Walt, is that the Federal 110 gr. Hi Shok load that is being discontinued ? Any reason why or what they are replacing it with?
I was rather fond of that load fired out of my S&W model 640 snubby.
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Posted - October 08 2003 :  10:03:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I shoot the Winchester 110gr 357 hp's form Walmart all the time... I love them...

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walt farr
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Posted - October 08 2003 :  10:28:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Federal really pared down their catalog. They also eliminated the 158LHP. It now seems the 158LHP is in the LE catalog and not discontinued.

Edited by - walt farr on November 01 2003 09:40:58 AM
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Pitbull
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Posted - October 09 2003 :  03:12:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok thanks Walt, guess I better check the Federal website and get updated on things.
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v1rot8
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USA
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Posted - October 10 2003 :  3:55:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to all! Gonna pick up a box and give 'em a whirl next to my Corbons and Fed. 357B's. See how I do. AND-- I am gonna try out Mr. Higginbotham's exercise. It sounds useful AND fun. ...Appreciate the help...

v1rot8

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alnico357
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USA
420 Posts

Posted - October 10 2003 :  5:25:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I shoot the Win white box 110 grain load out of my 3" SP-101. I've never had a FTF. It's a good load. I also found the Remington 110 grain load at the fantastic price of $7.50 a box so I bought a case.

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bhp35
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Posted - October 12 2003 :  7:26:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not into reloading, but I once read somewhere that .357/110 had to be loaded with "flashy" ammo to make it work. Any truth to that?
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Evan
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Posted - October 12 2003 :  9:02:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
no

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Posted - October 27 2003 :  2:30:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
they are however pretty slow compared to other 110 gr hollow-points... such as Federal, Corbon, etc...

the only good thing I see it less recoil than the faster 110 loads, huh?

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GLV
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Posted - October 27 2003 :  2:56:23 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Don't have any new info but in tests run in 86 and 87 the 110s all ran 1200fps to 1300fps from 2.5 inch to 3.5 inch barrels. Perhaps the numbers are lower today.

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Evan
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Posted - October 27 2003 :  4:57:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ammoman.com has Fed 110gr .357 jhp

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walt farr
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Posted - October 27 2003 :  5:55:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've seen some fairly recent chrono tests with the Winchester 110 magnum and from 2 inch revolvers it is running from 1180 or so to the mid 1200's. From 2 1/2 it has been doing mid 12's to about 1300. I dont know if it is any slower than the others but it seems to be more variable. Remington 110 did 1288 avg from a 2 1/4 and 1364 from a 3 in comparison. I have yet to chrono the Federal 110.
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brian
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Posted - October 27 2003 :  9:50:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just downloaded the Federal LE catlog and it still lists the 38G load. They are calling it a semiwadcutter jp, 158gr-890fps-260ftlbs,same as it has been. The load is not in their regular catalog.

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TONY
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Posted - October 28 2003 :  1:38:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which 110 load was the "Treasury Load", FED or WINN??

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Biggfoot44
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Posted - October 28 2003 :  1:55:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to say FED, but probably went back and forth on bid. "Treas. Load " was .38 +P+ , not mag. CorBon 110jhp.38 +P+ will exceede either. Current CorBon .357 110 JHP is loaded full strength ie rated 1500 fps from test bbl. Or otherwise known as getting similar speeds from 2.5" as others from 4" bbl.
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walt farr
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Posted - October 28 2003 :  3:02:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The original Treasury load was the Winchester. Federal and Remington went on to manufacture similar +p+ loads. As far as the CorBon +p+ which is the OLDER load replaced by the +p version I chrono'd it in the past and it was extremely erratic. In testing it from a 2 1/4 sp 101 I got an extreme spread of over 230fps for 5 shots. I havent tested the newer +p but Evans tests show it to be fast and consistent.

Edited by - walt farr on October 28 2003 3:06:10 PM
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GLV
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Posted - October 28 2003 :  7:40:42 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I do have some of the Cor Bon 158 gr .38 Special lead +P+HPs, courtesy of Evan. I will try to clock some this weekend.

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walt farr
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Posted - October 29 2003 :  06:07:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When I said erratic it applied only to the 110+p+ CorBon which is now discontinued. The 158+p+LHP and the 125 +p+ were fast and with normal range extreme spreads. Only problem I ever encountered with any CorBon was this one load. Maybe why they changed it.
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arty
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Posted - November 01 2003 :  10:38:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Winchester 110 357 gave me very similar velocities to the Rem 110 357, slower lots of Federal, and the older, hot Corbon 110 +P+ loads. The older Corbons with Sierra bullets are among the most accurate loads in my revolvers. I prefer the Rem. 110 357s, since they are more accurate and have less blast than the Winchester or the Federals. I have not chronographed the new Corbon 110s, but they are hot, but not as accurate as 158 REm or Corbon LHP in my Ruger sp101 38 sp.
The Winchester treasury load is not nearly as hot as the Corbon 110 +p+. The Winchester treasury load gave me velocities that were not much higher than +ps, but with much more flash.
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grappadoro@aol.com
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USA
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Posted - November 02 2003 :  8:13:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone performed gelitan tests on the Winchester "Wal-Mart" 357 mag. 110 grain jhp's? I'm just curious if they perform and expand reliably.
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walt farr
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Posted - November 02 2003 :  9:44:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know that the same 110 grain bullet expands quite well in the +p+ 38 load, both from a 2 and a 4 inch. It should do quite well in 357 as far as expansion is concerned.
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