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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  09:19:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Evan mentioned on another busier thread that he could not get hollow based wad-cutters to stabilize in a short barrel. I've experienced the same thing. A good friend ordered some factory loaded backwards wadcutters from Atomic and I shot 5 out of my 2.25" 640 .357 every one of them tumbled!

I seem to recall back in the day there were other types of wad-cutters, one was the "cup based" which had a wide but shallow depression in the base - the Brits loaded ammo with the cup forward and called it a "man stopper" load.

I've been looking for some to try in .38 and .45 but haven't been able to locate any - have they disappeared.

I guess I could get out the old bullet swage and make some - if I wasn't so lazy

Jim H.

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Edited by - Jim Higginbotham on February 14 2020 09:21:17 AM

Evan
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  1:08:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'M NOT LAZY BUT DO BELIEVE IN THE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY.

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Evan
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  2:25:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Colt snubs would fly them straight and true

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Russ Larges
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  3:41:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have, in the distant past, tried hollow based wadcutters loaded backwards. Shot out of a 4" Ruger speed six, most tumbled at 5-7 yards.
I have tried the new Federal load that looks like a hollow base loaded backwards, They did not tumble but shot very low at the above distance. Have not seen a speed six since I sold mine, Would love to have one with a 3" barrel.
Russ

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Edited by - Russ Larges on February 14 2020 3:43:34 PM
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Pop Pop
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  7:01:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Russ, gave a 3" speed six to my granddaughter last fall. It was in 90% condition. I found it in a pawn shop 15 years ago and paid 200.00 OTD for it. She loves it.

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Ace
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  7:12:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pop, you need to quit telling those stories, you're bringing tears to my eyes (not the sentimental stuff about giving guns to grandkids; that $200 part just makes me wanna cry).

BITD, I was shooting backwards wadcutters out of a 4" Security Six for a while. Dunno how fast they were moving, but they were warmer than a .38, cooler than a .357. A guy would load them for me, for just the price of components; as I recall, they always poked nice round holes in paper. I quit them when I found information from some guy who had done a lot of research and said that 125gr .357's--the Federal brand as I recall--had something like a 90+% one-shot-stop rate in real shootings (first I'd ever heard the O-S-S term). At the time, shooting such heavy loads didn't hurt me, so I switched to that. Ace

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840
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Posted - February 14 2020 :  11:19:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim Higginbotham:
Evan mentioned on another busier thread that he could not get hollow based wad-cutters to stabilize in a short barrel. I've experienced the same thing. A good friend ordered some factory loaded backwards wadcutters from Atomic and I shot 5 out of my 2.25" 640 .357 every one of them tumbled!

Jim H.


I used to shoot a lot of 50 yd. and then 25 yd. police matches with 148 gr. DEWC's and 148 gr. LHBWC's, and they always punched a nice round hole. Never a keyhole, and I used a variety of handguns. Some 50 yd. county matches I used a 6" bbl. S&W 19, but most matches, at both yardages, I used a 2" Ruger Speed Six or 4" S&W Model 19 or Model 66 at times, but perhaps 60-70% were with my 3' S&W Model 13 or 4' HB Model 10.

The "Backwards Bullets" my brother Ed loaded (the 148 gr. HBWC seated backwards) had a gas check and he warmed them up to 5 fps of 845. Ed used his 3" Model 28 and 4" HB Model 10 and I stuck with my 3" Model 13 and 4" HB Model 10 when he made those loads. I never experienced a keyhole.

Never fired them in anything shorter than a 2" Speed Six. I might track down some of the Atomic you mentioned and give them a try.

'840'

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - February 15 2020 :  7:13:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Evan

Colt snubs would fly them straight and true



I never shot PPC but there was always that thing about Colt barrels stabilizing wadcutters better - I think they were about 2" faster in twist?

I know I gave the son a "Smolt" (a Model 19 S&W with a Python barrel) for Christmas a few years back - it is awfully accurate!

Jim

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - February 15 2020 :  7:15:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 840

Jim Higginbotham:
Evan mentioned on another busier thread that he could not get hollow based wad-cutters to stabilize in a short barrel. I've experienced the same thing. A good friend ordered some factory loaded backwards wadcutters from Atomic and I shot 5 out of my 2.25" 640 .357 every one of them tumbled!

Jim H.


I used to shoot a lot of 50 yd. and then 25 yd. police matches with 148 gr. DEWC's and 148 gr. LHBWC's, and they always punched a nice round hole. Never a keyhole, and I used a variety of handguns. Some 50 yd. county matches I used a 6" bbl. S&W 19, but most matches, at both yardages, I used a 2" Ruger Speed Six or 4" S&W Model 19 or Model 66 at times, but perhaps 60-70% were with my 3' S&W Model 13 or 4' HB Model 10.

The "Backwards Bullets" my brother Ed loaded (the 148 gr. HBWC seated backwards) had a gas check and he warmed them up to 5 fps of 845. Ed used his 3" Model 28 and 4" HB Model 10 and I stuck with my 3" Model 13 and 4" HB Model 10 when he made those loads. I never experienced a keyhole.

Never fired them in anything shorter than a 2" Speed Six. I might track down some of the Atomic you mentioned and give them a try.

'840'



I have the feeling the longer barrels, even 3", might give enough speed to stabilize them.

Jim H.

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Nanuk
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Posted - February 17 2020 :  12:58:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have shot lots of smith snubbies and they all worked fine with WC's.

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Evan
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Posted - February 17 2020 :  6:27:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
loaded backwards-hollow base forward?

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Nanuk
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Posted - February 18 2020 :  1:38:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Evan

loaded backwards-hollow base forward?



Nope. My Dad and I tried those in 1982. They sucked, broke apart, tumbled....

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