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fsilber
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USA
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Posted - December 30 2019 :  10:50:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some handgun modifications are known to be discouraged by many on a carry gun as creating an opening for a malicious prosecutor, e.g. deactivating a safety, installing a competition trigger on a carry gun, engraving provocative messages.

I find I shoot noticeably better with a trigger-stop that limits over-travel. Most are implemented via a screw that screws into the back of the trigger. You screw it in to the length that lets the gun fire, but allows the trigger to go no further.

I've been told not to use them on a carry gun because the screw can "adjust itself" thereby tying up the gun and preventing it from firing.

However, what I have done is attach a small clump of epoxy paste to the back of the metal trigger. I then sanded it down until it reliably allows the sear to break. So it cannot get out of "adjustment."

When it comes to legal liabilities, obviously the safest, simplest thing to do is to keep the gun box-stock. However, some modifications, like replacing the grips of a revolver, are seen as neutral -- nothing to worry about. What about my epoxy trigger stop? The only negative I can think of is if a grain of sand somehow stuck to the back of it -- I would have to squeeze the trigger hard. Safety is in no way compromised, and if I can better hit what I'm aiming at -- is there any way a court could twist this in a negative way?

Ace
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USA
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Posted - December 31 2019 :  08:54:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
'...any way a court could twist this in a negative way?'--remember, you'll be dealing with lawyers, so even if Gramma Gertie fell out of her wheelchair in the middle of traffic and you rescue her, a lawyer will find something negative if he might get paid.

I'm not a fan of changing the 'mechanics' of a defensive gun from out-of-the-box, but if/when I want/need to do such a thing, I have it done by a certified gunsmith or, in particular, a friend who has contracted with the .gov to do repair/maintenance on our soldiers' weapons. Dunno if it would help in court, but I figure it would make it somewhat more defensible. I avoid kitchen table Bubba 'smiths like the plague.

'Cosmetic' changes that don't affect the mechanical operation of the gun, like grips, sights, and such, I don't worry about doing myself. Then again, lawyers.... Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - December 31 2019 :  09:11:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An unscrupulous lawyer can twist anything. I think the fact that so many lawyers become politicians is one of the major contributors to chaos in our society as a whole.

That said, if you can articulate - better yet quantify - the benefits of your modification, a good lawyer should be able to argue your case in court. Ayoob has recommended preemptive documentation by placing evidence of prior knowledge in a sealed envelope and sending it to yourself via registered mail. Having it notarized wouldn't hurt either. In this case a person might save targets shot with and without the modification in question.

Jeff

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Chris Christian
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USA
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Posted - December 31 2019 :  10:56:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One aftermarket modification that will be hard for even the slimiest lawyer (yes, I know, redundant) to turn against you is more visible/effective sights.
The gun owner can merely say "My training has ingrained into me the fact that I am responsible for every round I fire if, God forbid, I ever have to use my firearm to defend myself and loved ones. The sights that came on the handgun were not precise enough, so I replaced them with sights that gave me much better control regarding bullet placement. I felt that would help prevent stray rounds that might strike innocent bystanders."
OK prosecutor... turn that against me

Chris Christian
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Evan
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Posted - December 31 2019 :  6:02:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
when we setup Detroit SWAT I reminded the other trainers we don't want to give them a road map to sue us.

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montanaman
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Posted - February 03 2020 :  6:51:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've read quite a bit that Ayoob has written, about unscrupulous prosecutors going after cops and citizens who were in shootings, and the points he makes about not carrying 'Bad-sounding' guns, handloads, or trigger jobs are very legitimate.

Paladin didn't need a semi-auto, or a laser sight, and always carried an extra gun.
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Evan
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Posted - February 03 2020 :  7:51:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
sometimes but i never saw one in Detroit. my guns are bone stock with factory ammo.

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exfed2002
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Posted - February 04 2020 :  7:09:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fsilber



However, what I have done is attach a small clump of epoxy paste to the back of the metal trigger. I then sanded it down until it reliably allows the sear to break. So it cannot get out of "adjustment."



I've done the same with my 229DAO and my 250. In the case of the 250, I put the stop on the grip. I make my little tabs out of JB Weld.

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