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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  10:05:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We used to refer to Democrats who sometimes went against the grain of their party as Blue Dogs.

Today, between the House and the Senate, there are 280 Democratic Party members. I cannot personally name a single one who stands in any meaningful way against their Party's steady Leftward drift toward tyrannical Socialist one party rule.

Have Blue Dogs gone extinct? Did they ever truly exist or were they just the Unicorns of wishful Republican imagination?

280 elected Democrats. Is this who they all truly are?

Jeff

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Chris Christian
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USA
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  11:08:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you hit it pretty well. The Blue Dogs seem to have gone the way of the Dodo bird. There are some (maybe 25-30) in Congress from 'Red' districts that President Trump won in 2016. They are, and have a right to be, very worried about a formal impeachment vote that puts them 'on the record'.... which is why I think Pelosi hasn't held one and is not seemingly eager to do so.

Voter backlash against those, in Trump districts, could tip House control back to the Republicans, and Pelosi is out of a job.

That's why I think the Democrats are playing these games... they are rather slimy... and play them well. They know the Senate won't go 2/3s to impeach... the Dems are just trying to throw as much mud on the wall as they can and hope it affects the 2020 election.

They are a disgusting bunch!

Chris Christian
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Ace
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  2:01:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The true 'Blue Dogs', back when there really were some, would go against the rest of The Party on certain issues because of their convictions--plus the fact that most of their constituents held certain views on certain issues; in other words, they actually tried to represent their districts.

I think Jeff and Chris are right, that type of 'Blue Dog' has left the kennel; the only reason any Dem would go against The Party would be because their constituents might get mad and vote them out of office---and that only on relatively minor issues. If I was a gambler, I'd bet that IF Nanny Pelosi allows a vote on the fraudulent impeachment thing, they'd stand with her and vote for it. If they vote on any other important issue, like what color the new curtains should be, they might go against Nanny and The Party. Ace

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fiasconva
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  3:28:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just remember that their main goal is keep themselves in office and the heck with what's good for the country. AOC is already backing new candidates with her socialist lean against entrenched dems that have been in office for years and no one in their party seems to be calling her out on it. Let's just hope this will divide them enough to self destruct.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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gw
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  3:41:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If there are any blue dogs left they don't want their vote recorded, but they might still be around.

Trump has to worry about the "never Trumpers" that still exist in the Senate like Romney, it's the Republicans that could get him.

The reason Pelosi won't vote on a formal impeachment inquiry is she wants it all her own way, a formal vote would give Mr Trump an oppurtunity to conduct a formal investigation himself.

Adam Schiff would be on the top of his list I recon.

"Holding a formal vote on impeachment, conservative legal experts say, would allow Republicans to subpoena documents and witnesses and investigate all the revelations surrounding the whistleblower’s complaint about Trump’s interactions with Ukraine, as well the roles of Joe Biden and his son Hunter in Ukrainian corruption allegations.

“Republicans would have the opportunity to get information from all sources and get it on the table,The process they are proceeding under through their committee attorney means they are the only ones who have the rights to gather information.”

Just my opinion and worth nothing.

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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - October 06 2019 :  5:34:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with GW's remarks on why the Dems don't want a formal vote on impeachment. But I think they have come too far to back down. Sooner or later they will have to impeach to maintain what they think passes for credibility and to appease their radical base. Each Dem in the House is going to have to stand up and be counted. After which the Republicans will be able to launch a full bore counterattack. Pelosi, Schiff, and the other Dems will not like what comes next.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - October 07 2019 :  08:38:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They're almost totally dysfunctional, nothing new there.

Depending on your outlook, maybe that beats the alternative.

Many things need to be worked, but do we really want this bunch doing it......


"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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ber950
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Posted - October 09 2019 :  11:46:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most of the real blue dogs jumped parties when the GOP started coming to power in the southern states. That is part of the current problem in the party as the conservatives left or died out all that is left is the socialist wing. Ronald Reagan said he didn't leave the Democrat Party, it left him.

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Ten Driver
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Posted - October 13 2019 :  5:02:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There’s no room for a Zell Miller in today’s Democrat party
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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - October 13 2019 :  7:43:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now Schiff says there is no need to interview the whistleblower(s) (who all strangely have the same lawyer?). "Because the transcript tells us all we need to know."

Also because the whistleblower's prior collusion and coordination with Schiff's office and the connections with Biden would be exposed.

Jeff

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Ace
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Posted - October 13 2019 :  8:48:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IF Nanny P. allows a formal vote on whether to do formal impeachment hearings, like she's supposed to do before doing impeachment hearings, and it passes, wouldn't the Republicans then be allowed to subpoena the 'blowers', and try to clarify their interactions with Schiff before they 'blew'? Of course, Nanny and Schiff would pull strings to prevent that, if they could. Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
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jle3030
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Posted - October 14 2019 :  04:42:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I share the opinion of others I've read that this whole impeachment thing is a bluff; a distraction from emerging revelations of the Deep State's attempted coup; and a prolonged fishing trip hoping something impeachable will actually show up.

With approximately thirty of her party members in tenuous reelection races, there is no way Pelosi will call a vote on anything before election day.

And I'm reading of growing suspicions she doesn't actually have the votes right now for a genuine impeachment.

As Barry told Vlad, she may be in a position to do more after the election.

JLE

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Ace
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Posted - October 14 2019 :  06:34:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another thought: how does\do she\they save face if\when they decide not to follow through with impeachment? Or have they backed themselves into a corner? Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
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gw
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Posted - October 14 2019 :  09:46:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many people are actually paying attention

For the one that are and getting their news off CNN, any spin will work

For those that get their news off FOX...theDemocrats don't care what they think

Unless there's another shoe to drop, the Republicans seem to be beating the other side at their own game, which is refreshing.

Republicans usually can't seem to keep up

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