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LittleBill
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Posted - June 14 2019 :  6:06:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This past March, after a mass shooting at several New Zealand mosques in which semi-automatic “assault-style” rifles were used to kill 50 people, the leftist female Prime Minister announced a ban on all semi-auto rifles, along with high capacity magazines; which effective in April became illegal to own or possess. Everyone owning one was ordered to turn it in.

But according to a story in the May 28 New Zealand Herald, of the estimated 300,000 semi-autos owned by approximately 250,000 New Zealanders, to date a total of only 530 guns have been turned in....

Go New Zealanders!


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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jle3030
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Posted - June 14 2019 :  6:17:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How do they propose to arrest and prosecute 250,000 newly minted criminals?

Jeff

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LittleBill
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Posted - June 14 2019 :  6:37:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I doubt whether the clueless PM thought of that little detail...

And I’d bet kiwis to coconuts, that the 530 who surrendered their guns
are now wishing they hadn’t...




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"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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Ace
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Posted - June 14 2019 :  8:54:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
....or have another one in the closet? Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?
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gw
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Posted - June 14 2019 :  9:03:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

How do they propose to arrest and prosecute 250,000 newly minted criminals?

Jeff



250,000 newly minted that must still have their rifles.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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jle3030
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If it were me (and I'm sure glad it's not) I would pick a few "offenders" and prosecute them to the max. Hoping to intimidate the rest into compliance. That's how I believe a Leftist government official would think. After all, she was arrogant/stupid enough to unilaterally
issue that edict in the first place. I think that's where Kamala Harris and some of the other Dem candidates have gotten the idea they could do something similar here.

Her problem: the scale of the noncompliance suggests a resolve on the part of the gun owners that could morph into mass armed resistance. Have the Kiwis decided that what happened to their Aussie neighbors won't happen in NZ?

It's obvious that antigun politicians will continue to press until voted out of office or until gun owners unite and use their (our) 2A rights for the originally intended purpose. Politicians being the cowards they are, a little serious pushback might go a long way.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:01:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
to a politician, the important thing is to pass a law, enforcement is not their problem

after the 94 ban, Feinstein went on 60 minutes claiming she had banned "assault weapons" and they could no longer be obtained in this country

Lesley Stahl reached around her chair and pulled out an AK with a sack of magazines her staff had purchased that afternoon

Feinstein seemed amazed, the word clueless applies

there were more weapons of that type sold during the Clinton ban then before

there were also more shooting deaths from rifles the year before the Clinton ban expired, than there were the year Bush let the ban sunset

to this day Feinstein claims the 94 ban worked....

ammo manufacturers call the Obama Presidency " the golden years"

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."

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LittleBill
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:01:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

If it were me (and I'm sure glad it's not) I would pick a few "offenders" and prosecute them to the max. Hoping to intimidate the rest into compliance. That's how I believe a Leftist government official would think. After all, she was arrogant/stupid enough to unilaterally
issue that edict in the first place. I think that's where Kamala Harris and some of the other Dem candidates have gotten the idea they could do something similar here.

Her problem: the scale of the noncompliance suggests a resolve on the part of the gun owners that could morph into mass armed resistance. Have the Kiwis decided that what happened to their Aussie neighbors won't happen in NZ?

It's obvious that antigun politicians will continue to press until voted out of office or until gun owners unite and use their (our) 2A rights for the originally intended purpose. Politicians being the cowards they are, a little serious pushback might go a long way.

Jeff


Yeah: it seems clear that the Prime Minister— a woman known for her extreme emotional volatility, who was hospitalized for depression in the past— really didn’t think it through before urging the passage of the ban— which was “rushed through” the NZ Parliament within a week after the shooting, and includes a “buyback” in which the NZ gov’t would reimburse people for their guns, then destroy them all.

But the Cabinet now has to figure out how to place a value on each gun; and hasn’t yet released a ‘price list’ of what they’ll be paying. Nor have they been able to estimate how much additional $ it will cost NZ taxpayers to destroy the guns they’ve bought back.

Gun rights groups are explaining that gun owners are waiting for details regarding compensation before deciding whether to turn in their guns. Gun owners are also demanding compensation for gun parts which are included in the ban— which I assume includes scopes and other aftermarket accessories attached to their guns— and which the Cabinet will also have to set a price on. A well nigh impossible task, when you think about it... for a Cabinet with zero knowledge of firearms.

Hopefully when NZ taxpayers realize how much this madness would cost them— and faced with the likelihood of mass non-compliance— the Parliament will rescind the ban.

Stay tuned... as Jeff points out, there are plenty of US politicians who would love to see something similar happen here... maybe the failure of the NZ ban will convince folks like Kamala Harris that trying the same thing here might not be as easy as they’re imagining....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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gw
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:18:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
in Australia estimates are more rifles have been smuggled back into the country than the government ever confiscated

but their politicians feel superior so all is good.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:29:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

to a politician, the important thing is to pass a law, enforcement is not their problem

after the 94 ban, Feinstein went on 60 minutes claiming she had banned "assault weapons" and they could no longer be obtained in this country

Lesley Stahl reached around her chair and pulled out an AK with a sack of magazines her staff had purchased that afternoon

Feinstein seemed amazed, the word clueless applies

there were more weapons of that type sold during the Clinton ban then before

there were also more shooting deaths from rifles the year before the Clinton ban expired, than there were the year Bush let the ban sunset

to this day Feinstein claims the 94 ban worked....

ammo manufacturers call the Obama Presidency " the golden years"


And if Feinstein was clueless about what her ban accomplished, she’s probably equally clueless regarding the hornet’s nest she’d stir up, if the US Congress passed a confiscation/buyback similar to what NZ has done... maybe what’s happening there will give US gun-grabbers pause for thought....

I don’t think they could get away with confiscating guns without compensation; and figuring out what fair compensation would be, for millions of accessorized guns, would be a nightmare, that would take years, and cost US taxpayers billions of dollars. It’s hard to see how it would even be possible...


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 15 2019 11:08:57 AM
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gw
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:43:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
they'd just tax the billionaires to pay for it


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LittleBill
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  10:50:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That seems to be the plan: tax the rich to pay for all the ‘free’ perks the Dems are promising people: ‘free’ healthcare, ‘free’ college tuition, ‘free’ universal income...

From what I understand, businesses are leaving California in droves, due to the high taxes...

At some point, will the rich decide to leave the US, rather than be forced to finance an ever-expanding welfare entitlement state....?


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 15 2019 10:51:19 AM
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ASCTLC
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  11:11:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

At some point, will the rich decide to leave the US, rather than be forced to finance an ever-expanding welfare entitlement state....?



And that's why socialism has to transition into communism, escape must be stopped to slow down the collapse.

I understand it has already been discussed to allow physical escape (to prevent anyone from being able to technically claim we have become "communist") but the wealth must be left behind to do it.
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  11:16:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ASCTLC

quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

At some point, will the rich decide to leave the US, rather than be forced to finance an ever-expanding welfare entitlement state....?



And that's why socialism has to transition into communism, escape must be stopped to slow down the collapse.

I understand it has already been discussed to allow physical escape (to prevent anyone from being able to technically claim we have become "communist") but the wealth must be left behind to do it.


Right.

And if I were one of those rich guys, I’d already have my team of lawyers and accountants working on figuring out how to get most of my wealth out, before the exit door slams shut...


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 15 2019 11:17:13 AM
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gw
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Posted - June 15 2019 :  4:51:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
really rich people already have their money were the government can't get it.

that's the fatal flaw in Bernies tax the rich scheme

years ago Bush tried to force Switzerland to give up it's banking information in the name of counter terrorsim

Pelosi suddenly felt the urge to visit the Pope

Story is that she jumped over the Alps and moved her Swiss accounts, brought back something like bearer bonds in a diplomatic pouch.

same way some groups already have stocked piled weapons and ammo

geeze, no one trusts the Government anymore.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  10:32:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It’s also rumored that the ‘higher-ups’ in military and gov’t are building remote getaways with bombproof shelters... could they know something we don’t?

For a long time, I was stockpiling guns and ammo... had amassed a fairly sizeable stash....

But recently it all got lost in a tragic canoeing accident, when the canoes carrying my entire collection capsized in deep water....

And honestly? I feel safer without them....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast
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montanaman
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  11:51:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is surely not a new discussion!

I remember when I was 12, and the men at the coffee shop were worried that
Nixon would declare himself dictator.

One man scoffed and said it wouldn’t happen because we still had our guns.

I didn’t know what to think about it back then, and I didn’t realize that he had trekked across Germany 30 years before and knew what he was talking about.

It IS a different time though.

I’m convinced that in 2016, that if The Great Leader, Barack Hussein Obama, had cancelled the election, and declared himself dictator, that about 40% of the chowderheads in America would have nodded and went along with it.


Paladin didn't need a semi-auto, or a laser sight, and always carried an extra gun.
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LittleBill
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I suspect the Dems have hit on a safer strategy: keep on brainwashing the public, via Hollywood and Academia and the Mainstream Media; keep on bringing in millions of immigrants; and sooner or later, they’ll have a legislative majority, and can start “transforming” America like BHO promised. No need to cancel elections, if you can stupify the people into voting you into office.


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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Chris Christian
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quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

I suspect the Dems have hit on a safer strategy: keep on brainwashing the public, via Hollywood and Academia and the Mainstream Media; keep on bringing in millions of immigrants; and sooner or later, they’ll have a legislative majority, and can start “transforming” America like BHO promised. No need to cancel elections, if you can stupify the people into voting you into office.




Grab 'em while they're young and their yours for life. Look at our public schools system. Take another look at Oberlin College. They just got hammered in a civil suit... $33 Mil. The SJW in the administration
decided to teach SJW 104. The jury said they flunked.

These were college administrators fanning the " SJW racism" flames of a shoplifting incident in which the perpetrators said there was no racism.

But, these college bureaucrats couldn't help themselves. You have to wonder where they came from in the public education system... how they achieved their current status... and what that entire system is currently teaching our youth.

Grab 'em while they're young and their yours for life.

Chris Christian
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  2:32:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All true!

Perhaps the funniest thing about that Oberlin debacle, is that their Black female attorney— who spearheaded the (totally unnecessary) campaign against the bakery, that ended up costing the college multiple millions of dollars— is someone whose advertized specialty is “risk assessment”....

Ooops! So much for affirmative action hires....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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LittleBill
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And as to what they’re teaching our youth: there you have it: the “principles” of “social justice”, “anti-racism”, etc.

Think about it: the whole thing started when a bakery employee confronted a Black Oberlin student who’d just shoplifted a bottle of wine and left the store... facts which no one disputed... but somehow— because the thief was Black— that made the act of apprehending him, into an act of... gasp!... ”racism!”...

What was the bakery employee supposed to do? Say to himself: “Well, if the thief was White, I’d be OK to stop him... but since he’s a ‘minority’, I guess I have no choice but to let him go... and just be grateful that he only stole one bottle...”

That’s what they’re “teaching” the young people at Oberlin; and unfortunately, lots of other “institutions of higher learning” as well....



"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 16 2019 2:58:35 PM
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Chris Christian
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LB... Computer keyboards don't last forever. Like any mechanical device they can break and "go whacky". But they do sell them at many retail outlets. Do you need a new one? There seems to be a whole bunch of funny symbols in your written copy that otherwise interferes with your normally erudite thoughts

Chris Christian
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  3:20:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote








You’re right! This thing is going absolutely whacky!

Maybe you could start one of those Go-fund-me pages: Buy my online buddy a new keyboard, before he goes whacky too...


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

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Chris Christian
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  4:42:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill









You’re right! This thing is going absolutely whacky!

Maybe you could start one of those Go-fund-me pages: Buy my online buddy a new keyboard, before he goes whacky too...





WOW... that was a fast 'clean up'. As we used to say during my Navy days... 'Reading you 5 by 5. Bravo Zulu on your communication net clean up!"

I was thinking about contributing to your newly-established "Go Fund Me A New Keyboard" page....but, since you seemed to have corrected the problem at the "user 1 level"... I think I'll just take that money and go buy me a 6-pack

Chris Christian
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Chris Christian
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  4:47:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LB,,, just a note... all that keyboard "stuff" is now back. I'll keep my 6 pack... you fix that keyboard "Cr-p. It's very annoying, and detracts greatly from the astute messages you likely wish to share with your fellow Forum members

Chris Christian
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 16 2019 :  5:27:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chris, now you’ve got me totally confused... up from my normal resting state of fair-to-middling....

That wasn’t by any chance a 6-pack of 40s, was it...?


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 16 2019 5:28:28 PM
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