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LittleBill
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  1:20:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As many observers have noted, we could be within a few years of the Left attaining a permanent majority of voters; fed by the continuing influx of immigrants, and the ever-growing number of millennials emerging from public schools and universities with a leftist orientation— including a belief in all the politically-correct panaceas, such as gun control, the notion that ‘diversity is our strength’, and a radical unawareness of the flaws of socialism.

At that point— when the leftist majority has elected a President and both houses of Congress reflecting their views— everything we hold dear, and count as true, will be up for grabs....


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

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rev.
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  2:22:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only thing we learn from history, is that we don't!
And, the only constant is change.
Probably every country, or people organized around a particular type of government or philosophy has come and gone over the centuries. Each generation has to cross it's own bridges, bridges they made, or made for them by the previous generation.
The armchair philosopher.
rev.

Edited by - rev. on June 08 2019 2:22:59 PM
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gw
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  4:27:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
this country was headed the same way in the 30s

the social welfare programs we're stuck with today got their start during the great depression

then WWII happened

when GIs came home after witnessing the affect of totalitarian socialist, fascist , communist regimes, would have nothing like it here

maybe we'll turn the corner again

hope springs eternal........

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."

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Pop Pop
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USA
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  4:36:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many children have you introduced to shooting? How many women have your taught to shoot or introduced them to guns? How many have you introduced to the great outdoors lately? How many have you taught about history? How many have you taken hunting, or fishing?

It all starts with us guys! I can't save the world, but can teach a few.

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LittleBill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  09:39:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

this country was headed the same way in the 30s

the social welfare programs we're stuck with today got their start during the great depression

then WWII happened

when GIs came home after witnessing the affect of totalitarian socialist, fascist , communist regimes, would have nothing like it here

maybe we'll turn the corner again

hope springs eternal........


I share your hope, I hope you’re right... but I’m having a hard time finding much reason for optimism:

Because absent such a turnaround in awareness, things appear to be headed back in the direction of seeing Big Gov’t, and it’s accompanying nanny welfare state, as “the answer” to “social injustice”... as more and more (immigrant, ignorant millennial) voters are coming along, who are likely to vote for whichever Party offers them the most “free” stuff...

As I understand it— thanks to a big increase in people receiving Gov’t “entitlements” under B. Hussein Obama— almost half the country is currently receiving them: food stamps, welfare and disability checks, subsidized Section 8 housing, etc.

Once that tipping-point is reached— and more voters are on the Gov’t dole, than are not— what’s gonna happen to turn it around?



"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 09 2019 10:15:55 AM
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  09:57:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pop Pop

How many children have you introduced to shooting? How many women have your taught to shoot or introduced them to guns? How many have you introduced to the great outdoors lately? How many have you taught about history? How many have you taken hunting, or fishing?

It all starts with us guys! I can't save the world, but can teach a few.


Pop Pop, I think you’ve nailed it: our primary ‘front’ in this ‘battle’— against the combined ‘progressive’ forces of Academia, Mass Media, and Hollywood— is winning the hearts and minds of upcoming generations.

And nothing accomplishes that better, than introducing them to some hands-on fun with guns (and the rules for handling them safely); while at the same time, using the opportunity to educate them about the history and philosophy behind the Second Amendment; and the connection between the American people’s freedom, and their right to own and carry guns.

Keep up the good work!


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 09 2019 10:39:47 AM
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jle3030
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  11:48:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with all of the above. That's the way we're trending. But prognostications have a way of being overtaken by events. A Trump reelection might ignite enough violence and craziness from the Left to turn off most American voters.

Jeff

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LittleBill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  12:25:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, and one aspect of Trump’s election in 2016, which IMO didn’t receive as much attention as it should have, was the astonishing degree to which the prognosticators— and the polls— were all dead wrong, with one or two exceptions.

NONE of the major polls had Trump winning! And after he’d won, the “pundits” were still left shaking their heads: still unable to comprehend what had just happened: that there were a lot more conservative/traditional Americans out there than the Progs would like us to believe.

So what to make of the utter failure of the polls to measure what they were supposed to be measuring? Part of it may be due to the fact that some folks who intended to vote for Trump were uncomfortable admitting that in public.

But it may also be the case that some so-called ‘polls’— while pretending to be measuring public opinion— were actually trying to form public opinion: by convincing potential Trump voters that no one else would be voting for him, so he didn’t have a chance.

It’s common knowledge that polling companies keep records of who has polled which way in the past; so it’s easy to get whatever ‘result’ they want, just by choosing who to poll.

So yeah: I guess we don’t necessarily know how things are trending... there may be more of “us” out there than we imagine....

We’ll be finding out I guess....

It will be fun watching leftists’ heads explode and melt down, if Trump is elected to a second term....



"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 09 2019 12:53:05 PM
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gauchobill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  1:07:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The big problem in this country can be laid at the feet of "career politicians". What the founding fathers (sorry that's gender specific, contrary to the rules of political correctness) contemplated was that responsible citizens would stand for service to their country and by doing so could run for public office. Following their service they would return to private life as in their past. Fast forward to the 20th century and what we see is the evolution of the "career politician" such as Joe Biden, the Clintons, and a shorter evolution in the person of B. H. Obama.

Eisenhower presents a notable historical figure of modern times---his service as a military leader of international fame, followed by 8 years of service as our president, during which time he skillfully and intelligently guided us through the Cold War without devastating nuclear warfare. Since Eisenhower's time we had the Reagan years after the Carter years, and the Bush years whose adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan led us to the Obama years. One can argue the merits of both the Iraq wars and the war in Afghanistan.

I, for one, wonder if the second Iraq War was necessary, although it can be argued that killing Saddam Hussain was worth it. As for Afghanistan and our waging war there, it is hard to blame Bush II for going there to attack the domicile of Osama Bin Ladin who fathered the attack on us at the twin towers. The mood of this country immediately after 9/11 almost demanded our reaction there. I can't remember reading or hearing any of the pundits or politicians raising serious objections. That it took so long (and still goes on to some extent) seemingly was not foreseeable at the time.

Now we are faced with a plethora of "career politicians" running for president in the democrat (demagogue) party. They range from the golden oldies of politics (Biden and Sanders) to a band of mostly younger politicians whose only career/ambition is and has been to be a political figure for the rest of their lives. Hardly any ever had to meet a payroll, owned a business, or pursued any meaningful business activity other than making a name for themselves in politics.

The contrast between President Trump (a preemptively successful businessman) and that field of demagogues is amazing! They and their media allies can only erupt with their hypocritical denunciation and hatred of Trump. Their failure to get Trump indicted/impeached by the Mueller investigation raised their hatred to amazing levels. One would normally think that we all would be grateful that our president was found not to have compromised our election process. Alas, not so for the demagogues. Their party is no longer the liberal party. It is the party of hatred!
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LittleBill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  1:39:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
True: we forget that the rise of ‘career politicians’— who use their time in office as a springboard to getting rich— is a recent phenomenon. Was it Harry Truman who had to take out a mortgage to buy his house when he left the White House? Compared to folks like the Obamas and the Clintons, who left office many times richer than when they started.

And yeah: the progs love to talk about conservatives as the haters, but their hatred is second to none.


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast
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gw
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  3:54:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congress created the Presidents pension for Truman, who was down and out when he left office.

compare to today when just running for the office makes you rich

Bernie became a millionaire with his book deal after a failing run at President

campaign funds seem to get manipulted rather easily too

all points not lost on the 20+ know nothings running on the democrat side.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."

Edited by - gw on June 09 2019 7:43:41 PM
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Pop Pop
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  4:13:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I watched Ted Nugent set Pierce Morgan on his keister after The Nug showed up, for an interview, on his show. Morgan was eating out of his hand afterwards. Morgan has not been the same since. Up until their public debate Morgan was a fire breathing dragon for the left and as anti gun as I have ever seen. Nugent used facts from Morgan's own British media among other things to rebuff him. Morgan had no answers for him and finally just rolled over.

I would really like to get in touch with David Hogg, the mouthpiece for the Parkland school shooting. Surely he cant believe what he has been programmed to say. Two of the major players have experienced repercussions form their handling of that tragedy. Sheriff ousted from office and SRO arrested and charged.

Makes me wonder if Hogg has political ambitions at his young age. Most all of the Dems running sound out of touch with society,(agree with you GW, no nothings for sure) or May-be it is me?????????

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gw
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  7:46:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I saw that with Nugent

He's not my favorite, but he summed it up for me with " why don't you just leave us alone"

that's it in a nut shell

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LittleBill
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  8:51:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pop Pop

I watched Ted Nugent set Pierce Morgan on his keister after The Nug showed up, for an interview, on his show. Morgan was eating out of his hand afterwards. Morgan has not been the same since. Up until their public debate Morgan was a fire breathing dragon for the left and as anti gun as I have ever seen. Nugent used facts from Morgan's own British media among other things to rebuff him. Morgan had no answers for him and finally just rolled over.

I would really like to get in touch with David Hogg, the mouthpiece for the Parkland school shooting. Surely he cant believe what he has been programmed to say. Two of the major players have experienced repercussions form their handling of that tragedy. Sheriff ousted from office and SRO arrested and charged.

Makes me wonder if Hogg has political ambitions at his young age. Most all of the Dems running sound out of touch with society,(agree with you GW, no nothings for sure) or May-be it is me?????????


I’m sure Hogg loves all the attention he’s getting, the friendly (anti-gun) crowds cheering him everywhere he goes, treating him like he’s some kind of special child prodigy of woke-ness. If he didn’t have ambitions of being a politician before this, I’ll bet he does now.

There’s a smug young woman garnering a lot of publicity by going around lecturing her elders about climate change— talking about how her generation is so upset at our generation, for failing to address this huge problem, that’s going to end the world as we know it any day now! (The same thing they’ve been “warning” us about for the past 50 years....) She’s clearly just repeating the “facts” her teachers have programmed her with. I was reminded of Hogg when I saw her.


"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

Slow Is Smooth, Smooth Is Fast

Edited by - LittleBill on June 09 2019 8:57:32 PM
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bandaidman
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Posted - June 12 2019 :  11:34:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For those who can't remember that far back or haven't taken an Appleseed course, I point to April 19 1775. The patriots were willing to put up with a lot, until taxation, and removal of God given rights started to be taken away. The regulars were all about taking away those rights which brought out the militia. And the rest they say is history. It wasn't pretty, nor was it short.

“If for a while the harder you try, the harder it gets, take heart. So it has been with the best people who ever lived.
Jeffery Holland
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jle3030
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Posted - June 13 2019 :  07:06:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
America still has a seldom tapped deep well of patriotism. Remember all the American flags on vehicles after 9-11? Flyover country remains a sleeping giant, well dispersed and fully cable of strangling the liberal cities any time it chooses.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - June 13 2019 :  09:27:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the ultra left is good press

but most of the Democrats I know down here like Trump, hunt deer, and are NRA members

even Feinstein's dump assault weapon ban is watered down compared to what some states have already passed

the reason, she needs red state Democrats and some blue state Republicans to vote for it, or it's DOA

the beauty of the system

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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