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gold40
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Posted - February 24 2019 :  5:43:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I watched an old Clint Eastwood "Dirty Harry" movie this week. It got me to wondering if any major city police force ever allowed their detectives, or uniformed officers, to carry the 44 Magnum?

I was told that some small town sheriffs did so, but that may just be hearsay...

Dave in PA
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Posted - February 24 2019 :  7:39:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hopefully Evan will chime in, but I believe he carried a .41 magnum for a while. Not exactly the same but a very powerful round for sure.
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gw
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Posted - February 24 2019 :  9:27:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob Stasch carried a model 29 with the Chicago PD

used it too

search the name for his story

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Ace
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Posted - February 24 2019 :  9:36:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I carried a 4" Model 69 for a while, on the part-time job at my small town. It was loaded with .44Spl LSWCHP, two speed loaders with the same load, and a third loader with Magnum JSP 'just in case'. But that was a small town, and up to a point we kinda did our own thing.

.44 Magnum in real life ain't that good for defensive use; just too much of a good thing. Ace


edited at this late date to change that to 'Model 29'; proofreader musta been sleepy. Ace

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exfed2002
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  09:46:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gold40


I watched an old Clint Eastwood "Dirty Harry" movie this week. It got me to wondering if any major city police force ever allowed their detectives, or uniformed officers, to carry the 44 Magnum?

I was told that some small town sheriffs did so, but that may just be hearsay...



Allowed? Officially? Well, a Model 29 was .38 Special or larger......

I think a couple of guys forgot to write the request memo.......

"The answer is there is no answer."
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exfed2002
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  09:57:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gold40


I watched an old Clint Eastwood "Dirty Harry" movie this week. It got me to wondering if any major city police force ever allowed their detectives, or uniformed officers, to carry the 44 Magnum?

I was told that some small town sheriffs did so, but that may just be hearsay...



Allowed? Officially? Well, a Model 29 was .38 Special or larger......

I think a couple of guys forgot to write the request memo.......

"The answer is there is no answer."
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gw
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  10:56:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
at one point Chicago PD could carry a backup if they could qualify, they were also required to carry the issue weapon

full size automatics and large frame big bores were "backups"

issue .38 j-frames were the issue primary

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Dov
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  12:54:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Keith Jones carried a 44 loaded with "factory" ammo loaded by Denny I believe, souped up loads in 44 special brass IIRC think they were approximately equivalent to 45 ACP+P/45 Super levels with 180 JHP but I don’t recall which JHP that was used.

I know another departed LEO that carrried magnum or near magnum level hand loads in 44 special brass. He stopped at least one bad guy with that load after being shot first with a 9mm. He survived gunfight fine but had to take medical retirement because of injuries making an arrested on separate incident.
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Evan
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  2:24:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Detroit allowed us to carry privately, dept approved, revolvers .38 Special or larger. I carried both a .41 and .444 Magnum revolvers.

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Chris Christian
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  2:44:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not a .44 Magnum... but to the topic of 'non-standard' handguns... on one Navy tour my Department Head and Division Officer voiced no complaints when I carried a privately-owned S&W M19 revolver, with .357 ammo, instead of the on hand Navy issue handguns. Since it was in the states,there were no Geneva/Hague issues with JHP loads.




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silverback
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  4:32:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I worked just to the north of Evan and carried a S&W 58 41mag.It had to be 38spl or larger and we had to qualify with it and carry ammo.
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Badge
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Posted - February 25 2019 :  11:08:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When I was in college a very long time ago I had several Notrona Co. SO Deputies and Wy. HYW Patrol Troopers in my classes. One of the Deputies did in fact carry a S&W Model 29 in .44 magnum as a duty weapon. I was mildly surprised but it was Wyoming after all.

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J Wagner
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Posted - February 26 2019 :  12:25:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IIRC, Louisville, Ky SWAT officers carried Model 29s for a while.

I worked in a small town in Virginia in the 1980s. At various times, one officer, and a couple county deputies, carried .41 and .44 Magnum S&Ws.
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Ten Driver
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Posted - February 27 2019 :  1:39:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I’ve got a friend who worked for a city in the greater Los Angeles area who carried a .44 Magnum. It wasn’t common, but some agencies had more liberal policies than others.

San Antonio and San Francisco issued S&W M58 .41 Mags for a short while.

Mike
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Rexster
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Posted - May 04 2019 :  3:14:42 PM  Show Profile  Send Rexster an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Houston PD allowed .44 Magnum duty revolvers to be added, as primary duty handguns, until September 1997. As of September 1997, HPD officers could keep carrying those “grandfathered” weapons, if their qual did not lapse. So, it is possible that a particularly motivated HPD officer might be maintaining a qual with a .44 Magnum duty handgun. As for off-the-clock, personal carry, or a back-up weapon while on duty, any 2”-4” DA revolver, from .38 to .45, with which one has fired a qual within the past year, remained OK, at the time of my retirement last year, so it is possible that some few HPD officers may be carrying .44 Magnums during personal time, and there may even be a few kept in gear bags, while on duty.

While in the Houston PD academy, in 1983-1984, I was required to train and qual with a 4” .357 duty handgun. Upon graduation, in March 1984, I could qual with, and then carry, 3” to 6” DA revolvers, from .38 to .45, and carry Magnums at my discretion. I felt a need to prove I was sufficiently masculine, so, of course, carried a 4” Model 629, for my first year on the street.

In March, 1985, as soon as I could switch to an auto-loader, I started carrying my HK P7. I reckoned I had proven I could shoot a hand-held cannon, and my right wrist needed a break, from the muzzle flip.

As soon as we adopted open-top retention holsters, for revolvers, however, I bought a Rogers Trooper duty holster, and started carrying the more-sensible Model 58, .41 Magnum.

About 1990, after the Safariland SS III became the approved duty holster for autos, I started carrying a Stainless Commander, until its reliability went south, in 1991, at which time I started carrying a P220. After three or four times or finding the heel-clip mag release system had allowed a partial mag drop, I returned to duty revolvers, but sanity prevailed; .357 Magnum, 125-grain JHC/JHP ammo. I finally reverted to autos for duty in 1997.

Notably, I believe that shooting big-bore Magnums, in the Eighties, caused a considerable portion of the damage that manifested itself at age fifty, when it became painful to shoot .40 S&W from my duty P229R. In hindsight, I wish I had stayed with .357 Magnum, in revolvers, from the beginning. My right thumb/hand/wrist would probably hurt less, my bank account would probably be bigger, and I might have worked a full 35 years, instead of retiring at 34 years. (Thirty years is “normal,” but for a long time, I had thought I would go for 35+.)

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Rexster
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Posted - May 04 2019 :  3:22:52 PM  Show Profile  Send Rexster an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Let’s keep in mind that the muzzle flip of a .44 Magnum S&W N-Frame is not just due to the power of the cartridge, but the simple geometry and force vectors at work, with a higher bore-axis. The axis of the N-Frame’s bore is higher above the shooter’s arm bones. I could fire follow-up rounds much more quickly with my GP100 and K-Frames, which is why I was much better-armed in the Nineties than in the Eighties.

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Evan
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Posted - May 05 2019 :  3:50:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I purchased a set of Herrett's Jordan Trooper grips which are carved to fit My hand for M 57. when I picked up a 6 1/2" Model 29 I bought a box of .44 Special rnl ammo, a couple of boxes of new Winchester brass and Win bullets so I could load some 3/4 loads that would pass for factory ammo and one box of Win 240 gr swc. I took the Herrett's off my Model 57 and put them on the M29. I worked up some 3/4 loads and shot them and found them pleasant so I tried a cylinder of Win factory ammo and found them ok, so I just carried full power ammo. I was working one holiday and my regular partners were off and the asked me if he could shoot a few rounds thru my M29 so I took the JT grips off. We went to a precinct range and he fired three rounds before deciding it was too unpleasant to shoot. I fired the remaining 3 rounds and found it rather painful so I quickly reinstalled the JT's.

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - June 07 2019 :  11:48:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Louisville KY Chief C.J. Hyde, back in the late 60s and early 70s bought 150 Model 29s to issue to anyone who could pass the qualification. I knew a couple of officers that carried them and one other who carried his own 6.5" 29 (in winter he carried a Colt Commander .45 as a BUG). All of these guys were excellent shots.

I do think they issued .44 Spl. ammo though. I'm not sure whether .44 Mag ammo was authorized - I sort of doubt it.

C.J. was very pro gun and after retirement sat on the state Fish and Wildlife commission. Even after his passing his widow spoke at many meetings of the City Council and the General Assembly on the side of gun rights.

I should add that the agency where I was instructor for 30 years allowed it. One of my best friends (now also retired) shifted to Court Security from being an undercover deputy and he normally carried a Thunder Range model 21 with Speer Gold Dots or alternatively a Dan Wesson or S&W Commander .45 or a 3" 625 in uniform.

He also has a 696 which he wears concealed.

Jim H.

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gw
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Posted - June 07 2019 :  4:17:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
that does sound like someone who would be a friend of yours......

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Edited by - gw on June 07 2019 4:18:22 PM
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Evan
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  11:58:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just felt a quiet confidence with an N frame Smith I've never quite equaled a modern pistol.

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jle3030
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Posted - June 08 2019 :  6:52:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seeing things react when hit with a heavy caliber handgun, as opposed to a .38 or 9mm, I get the feeling there's more to stopping effectiveness than just blood letting.

Jeff

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  07:21:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

Seeing things react when hit with a heavy caliber handgun, as opposed to a .38 or 9mm, I get the feeling there's more to stopping effectiveness than just blood letting.

Jeff



Ditto

Jim

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - June 09 2019 :  07:21:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

Seeing things react when hit with a heavy caliber handgun, as opposed to a .38 or 9mm, I get the feeling there's more to stopping effectiveness than just blood letting.

Jeff



Ditto

Jim

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revjen45
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Posted - June 12 2019 :  10:59:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Last trip to the range showed me that arthritis can make a .357 N-Frame unpleasant with full power loads.
Does this make me a wimp?
It doesn't really much matter since ECG is either a .38 snubbie as a "Condition White" gun around the house or a Steyr S9 for out in public.
The .44 lives in the safe, seldom seeing the light of day, but ready.

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Pop Pop
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Posted - June 13 2019 :  3:56:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My mdl 629 44 mag is a safe queen also. Hands and wrist can't take the punishment any longer. My 357 mag loaded with Cor Bon DPX is still O K, just not a lot of it.

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