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Ace
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USA
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  12:12:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
....going all squishy on us, and caving to the Dems? Or does he have a plan?

The smart people have been able to see that the whole shut-down thing illustrates the Dems lack of concern for America's security, and their disdain for the citizens. But I think it will be a fight to keep that message out there, and convince people to ignore the crowing and chest-beating by CNN and pMSNBC and the others. I'm hoping The Donald has something up his sleeve--although if he does, and he pulls it out, there will most certainly be a Leftist judge to rule that his Constitutional authority isn't really constitutional. Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?

Chris Christian
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USA
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  12:52:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IMHO...Trump did the following... he basically said that that he gave the Dems what they wanted...he cooperated with them... the Govt is not shut down (BTW.. Trump is now the one that paid the workers, not the Dems)... OK, the Dems said they'd negotiate on the wall money when the Govt was open... So, let's negotiate now.

If they don't... then he is in the PERFECT position to say that they lied... they will not negotiate...they lied, and never intended to negotiate (or pay the workers), and now I have no choice but to declare a National Emergency and build the wall. He HAS that authority.

The only thing "No No Nancy" and "Cryin' Chuck" have left at that point is a court challenge. And, given a State Of Emergency declaration I can see that going to SCOTUS very quickly. I also think they will support President Trump on this issue.

I think President Trump has demonstrated the Art Of The Deal very well... and I think he has 4 Aces in his hand. I could be wrong. But I hesitate to bet against "The Donald". I don't think he is bluffing here.... or folding.




Chris Christian
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ASCTLC
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  12:57:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trump fighting for me? Yes! Any Dem fighting for anything that helps me? Not a chance!

The way I see it: If you are checking all the doors down a hallway and they're all locked, then quit yanking at doorknobs and go find another hallway.

MSM is not swaying my belief that not succeeding to get the physical barrier is not the same as a typical politician who says they will but never having any intention of following through. I clearly see the obstruction of his promise for simple personal and political reasons...that are meant to keep people like many of us from benefiting in any aspect of our pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness.

Plain and simple, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water because I stand a better chance getting the barrier next term with Trump than any Dem/Repub pol, and you can take that to the bank!
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retfed89
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  1:08:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My take is tha POTUS seems to be paying out more rope I.e., offering to the Dems certain concessions in return to ending the shutdown and getting money for the wall, when NP & CS again refuse the deal at the end of 3 weeks. Trump goes National Emergency, and leaves NP & CS swinging at the end of a long rope. Alternative is that enough Dems in house are sweating NP s intransigence and the polls showing favor for the wall and will deal with republicans on a bill with what Trump offered. If no deal National Emergency and defy the leftist courts by building the wall. Just the thoughts of an old guy fed up with politicians and Domestic Enemies. Retfed
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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  1:43:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My take. FWIW. I could be wrong.

Democrats have never been loath to squeeze the American public by shutting down government services to assert their political will. They have always been able to hang the shutdowns on the Republicans because of the slavish support of a like minded mainstream media.

Trump figured he could outlast the Dems by winning the PR war. He was wrong. In any power struggle, Socialists could care less how much the people may suffer. History demonstrates they are sociopaths at heart. To the Dems this was never about the wall or any sort of compromise. It was and remains about destroying Trump. It is all about gaining and retaining absolute Power. If they have to ruin the country to destroy Trump, so be it. The media will hang it all on the Republicans regardless.

Pelosi was using the shutdown to block Trump from delivering the State of the Union speech in the House chambers. She holds the aces in that game. Petty as her excuses are, she will get no flack from the media.

It's clear the Dems were going to let the hardships of the shutdown continue and escalate as long as necessary. And to continue using the issue to hammer Trump. I believe Trump underestimated the Democrat leadership's cynicism and disregard for the welfare of the country.

I think this is Trump's game:
HE is the one who has unilaterally ended the standoff and opened up the government - at least temporarily.
He eliminates Pelosi's current excuse for blocking the SOTU speech in the House chambers. Not that she won't invent another.
He asserts leadership by setting a timeline for reaching a deal on DACA and the wall.
He asserts leadership by serving notice that he will invoke his Constitutional presidential emergency powers to build the wall and keep the government running.
If that happens, the Dems will have lost on the wall and they can kiss DACA goodbye for the forseeable future.

At least that appears to be the plan. We'll see. If it had been me, I'd have called the Democrats' bluff; moved SOTU to a different location; blasted Pelosi and the Dems for their cynical power games; announced reopening the government; and asserted emergency powers to build the wall. This country cannot afford to have the President of the United States backed down and the country paralized by an increasingly demented, ruthlessly partizan Speaker of the House and Senate majority leader.

I hope nobody paid $.02 for all that.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  4:34:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mr.Trump did the right thing, most of the time that's the hard thing.

It's obvious to me the President gives a damn about working people struggling because Congress can't do it's job.

and obvious Pelosi don't....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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retfed89
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Posted - January 26 2019 :  9:47:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Read an interesting article on the Communist and the extermination of the Kulaks. Author suggested that if the Kulaks, who outnumbered the Communists had fought them early on they would have eliminated the Communists threat. I think he drew the parallel between the Kulaks and those of us who are on the right/patriots. Are we the new Kulaks? If so my question is what to do now, and when and if we assert the Second Amendment? Retfed
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djwarner
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Posted - January 27 2019 :  10:39:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I read recently that a congressional research office has found that Trump has the ability to use DOD funds to assist in stemming narcotics flow. No State of Emergency Declaration required, nor challenges to their discretion. Congress knows they have little power over the situation unless they negotiate to provide funds. At the same time NP and CS have no easy way to back down without appearing to the radicals as losers.

So how do they undo their position? Appoint a select committee. Now it is not the Dem leadership or Trump blame/crow about. No winners or losers.

The real reason the Dems want no wall (besides denying Trump a victory) is to allow border crossers access to our court system. A wall denies them access to our territory.

NON NOBIS TANTUM NATI
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Chris Christian
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Posted - January 27 2019 :  11:22:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They also want open borders for more voters. Motor Voter registration makes that easy.Texas just did a massive audit and found 95,000 illegal aliens registered to vote. Wonder why the Beto/Cruz Senate race was so close?
California is home to 25% of the illegal aliens in America and they will not do a voter registration audit. Wonder why traditional 'red' congressional districts flipped 'blue' in 2018?

Chris Christian
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Edited by - Chris Christian on January 27 2019 11:23:37 AM
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gw
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Posted - January 27 2019 :  12:47:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A lot has to do with the census

Representation in Congress is based on population

Population is determined by the census citizen or not

That's why Trump wants a citizenship question on the next census and why democrats are trying to block that

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."

Edited by - gw on January 27 2019 12:48:15 PM
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gw
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Posted - February 03 2019 :  09:58:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
non citizen imagrants may never be able to legally vote

but their kids will

witness the Somali Representative from Minneapolis and her racist comments against Israel

apparently Somali vote democrat........

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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Chris Christian
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Posted - February 03 2019 :  11:17:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
People who failed enough in their own country that they had to leave it... and managed to get into the "Land Of The Free"... are going to vote for whatever politician is going to give them the "Most Free".

Think Central American caravans.. think 95,000 illegally registered voters in Texas...over 58,000 who were discovered to have voted in past elections.

Any wonder the Democrats don't want a wall?

Chris Christian
There are those who make things happen. There are those who watch things happen. There are those who wonder What The Heck happened! Pick one.

Edited by - Chris Christian on February 03 2019 11:18:25 AM
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ASCTLC
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Posted - February 03 2019 :  3:17:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or voter ID, or reporting voting is happening without intense ridicule, or....
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Ten Driver
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Posted - February 04 2019 :  12:33:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Christian

People who failed enough in their own country that they had to leave it... and managed to get into the "Land Of The Free"... are going to vote for whatever politician is going to give them the "Most Free".

Think Central American caravans.. think 95,000 illegally registered voters in Texas...over 58,000 who were discovered to have voted in past elections.

Any wonder the Democrats don't want a wall?



Chris, you just described whatís happening in CO, AZ, TX, VA, FL, etc as a result of Democrat migration from places like CA and NY!
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Chris Christian
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Posted - February 04 2019 :  1:10:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah. I live in FL. A whole bunch of New Yawkers migrated to FL because of our lower taxes (and no personal income tax). They seemed to like Broward & Palm Beach counties and immediately tried to turn those into 'New Yawk' (minus the personal income tax, of course).

We wished they'd stayed in New Yawk.

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ASCTLC
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Posted - February 04 2019 :  4:48:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, we're getting over run bad here in CO. Californians rushing here and want the same oppressive & progressive laws/environment they just ran away from.

I meant to say "non-US citizen voting can't be reported without intense ridicule".
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ASCTLC
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Posted - February 04 2019 :  7:20:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Denver dominates CO plain and simple, the way Chicago dominates ILL against everyone else's wishes.

Edited by - ASCTLC on February 05 2019 08:27:58 AM
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gw
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Posted - February 05 2019 :  08:56:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
your right about Denver and Chicago

folks in down state Illinois are not happy, taxes or gun control

the democrats in the state are over reaching, they'll push until there's some push back I suppose

sad days coming

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gw
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Posted - February 05 2019 :  09:29:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ten Driver

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Christian

People who failed enough in their own country that they had to leave it... and managed to get into the "Land Of The Free"... are going to vote for whatever politician is going to give them the "Most Free".

Think Central American caravans.. think 95,000 illegally registered voters in Texas...over 58,000 who were discovered to have voted in past elections.

Any wonder the Democrats don't want a wall?



Chris, you just described whatís happening in CO, AZ, TX, VA, FL, etc as a result of Democrat migration from places like CA and NY!



Tennessee will be next, folks fleeing high tax states like Illinois

north Missippi is full of retirees that took their money and left Florida

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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LittleBill
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Posted - February 09 2019 :  3:52:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just fled VA and moved to CO, small town of Paonia, in the Front Range, North Fork Valley of the Gunnison River.

Very different than Denver, from what I can tell so far: plenty of hunters and shooters.

While CO went for Clinton in the last presidential election by less than 3 percentage points, Delta County went for Trump by a 45-point margin.


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ASCTLC
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Posted - February 10 2019 :  12:24:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Front Range" is on the east side of the mtns, at the western base of the plains. You're considered "West Slope", over where I usually elk hunt.

ETA: In fact, you tell em over there that you're a proud front ranger, I believe you'd get your butt kicked.

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LittleBill
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Posted - February 11 2019 :  11:38:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, thanks for the correction. West Slope it is...

My buttís been kicked enough...


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Bill D
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Posted - February 11 2019 :  1:04:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well up here on the east side of Washington State the Californios are arriving, they have taken over the west side and now we have onerous new gun laws going into effect. I mean bad. Our Gov and cronies are running roughshod over our civil rights. Bill

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ASCTLC
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Posted - February 11 2019 :  1:13:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some whacked out lib just voted into office here has just gone on a tear to introduce a bucket load of new gun restrictions that will surely be signed by our new extreme left mayor just voted in this year.
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LittleBill
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Posted - February 11 2019 :  1:48:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Iím reading on Fox where some Washington State sheriffs are ignoring those new gun laws, on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.



"Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at its testing point"--- C.S. Lewis

"There are some ideas so foolish, that only an intellectual could believe them"--- George Orwell

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Bill D
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Posted - February 11 2019 :  7:02:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Little Bill, right here in my county the sheriff is resisting, he lives right near me and is a good guy...Bill

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