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gw
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Posted - May 16 2018 :  08:50:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
S&W has brought back the model 19 .357, a 3 inch version is in the works

with an offset ejector rod, no flat spot on the forcing cone, it should be the strongest model 19 they've made.

I still wonder if it holds up to 125gr magnum ammo any better.

interesting

but I wish they'd find it in their heart to leave off the lock and hole in the side


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silverback
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USA
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Posted - May 16 2018 :  7:54:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats great news have wanted a 3 inch 19 to match my 3 inch 13.
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Sigger
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USA
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Posted - May 16 2018 :  9:32:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was reading their site and, if I remember correctly, the 3inch is only available in the Performance Center model. It is nice looking.
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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - May 17 2018 :  08:45:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sigger

I was reading their site and, if I remember correctly, the 3inch is only available in the Performance Center model. It is nice looking.

The 3 inch custom shop version is ported, or so I've read. YMMV on whether or not that's a good thing on a carry gun. The muzzle blast from my 3.5 inch Model 27, shooting full-bore loads, has been known to drive neighboring shooters off the line. Once, on an indoor range, a couple left the room entirely until I switched to a quieter gun. I'm not sure I'd want to shoot a short barrel ported .357 indoors or from retention.

That said, I do miss the 2.5 inch M19 I gave to my granddaughter, so this new version does tempt me. And anyway I shot 95% .38's and .357 Lite Golden Sabers in that gun.

Jeff

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Ace
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USA
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Posted - May 17 2018 :  11:03:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Personally, not fond of the ported-barrel concept for a carry gun; too much chance of singeing the mustache and eyebrows from a retention position--not to mention what misses the hair could go into the eyeball. Maybe on a hunting gun?
But I do like the thought of a 3" K-frame, though I'll likely never get one (I would say 'need one', but I try not to use the 'n' word that way). Ace

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Chris Christian
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Posted - May 17 2018 :  12:36:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ace

Personally, not fond of the ported-barrel concept for a carry gun; too much chance of singeing the mustache and eyebrows from a retention position--not to mention what misses the hair could go into the eyeball. Maybe on a hunting gun?
But I do like the thought of a 3" K-frame, though I'll likely never get one (I would say 'need one', but I try not to use the 'n' word that way). Ace



+1 on ported EDCs. IMHO, a very bad idea

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Jim Higginbotham
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USA
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Posted - May 18 2018 :  07:50:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ditto on the porting.

It may just be my "old foggy" tastes but I hate the way the lock changed the lines of the receiver on the J, K and L frames. In fact I do not like the lock anyway and would yank it out - but, better still, I just ain't buying one.

Hamilton Bowen recently quit taking new Smiths in and claims the barrels are in so tight that even S&W does not replace them (I'm not sure that is true but I do know of some corrections dept. guns the barrels broke off of because they were screwed in too tight and broke right at the receiver).

No new S&W revolvers for me, but to each their own. I had a gunsmith from S&W tell me he does not and would not own a new S&W revolver with the lock.

I did buy a Mountain gun in .45 Colt with a lock since I thought I might not be able to find one otherwise. I took the guts of the lock out and left the little "keyway" freewheeling.

By some miracle I found an earlier .45 Colt Mtn. Gun and traded the one with the lock to a friend (who didn't want the guts replaced).

I guess I might buy an earlier Model 21 or 22 and do the same thing to it since there are no modern versions without the lock - but I'd rather just find and old 3rd Model Hand Ejector in .44 or .45.

Jim H.

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Edited by - Jim Higginbotham on May 18 2018 07:53:50 AM
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gw
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Posted - May 18 2018 :  08:19:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
from what I know of the correction dept guns, they were indeed over tightened.

S&W had dropped the pinned barrel, the new process over torqued the barrel and cracked the forcing cone.

a NASA engineer claimed NASA had the same issue with solvents and micro cracking causing errosion of stainless steel

at any rate these new guns use 2 piece barrels, eliminating the problem, not traditional, but actually a better method of installing a barrel that improves accuracy and durability

the frames of these new k-frames have been lengthened to allow radiusing of the corners much the way they strengthened the j-frames

the ejector rod is offset, with the lock moved to the crane

all in all a very strong k-frame magnum

I agree with the changes to the lines of the frame

but the real problem is the lock, you can pull the guts out, but is that politically correct, might cause legal trouble down the road

I guess the crappy storage lock design is S&Ws way of helping sell Rugers........

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Edited by - gw on May 18 2018 08:22:10 AM
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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - May 20 2018 :  08:33:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

from what I know of the correction dept guns, they were indeed over tightened.

S&W had dropped the pinned barrel, the new process over torqued the barrel and cracked the forcing cone.

a NASA engineer claimed NASA had the same issue with solvents and micro cracking causing errosion of stainless steel

at any rate these new guns use 2 piece barrels, eliminating the problem, not traditional, but actually a better method of installing a barrel that improves accuracy and durability

the frames of these new k-frames have been lengthened to allow radiusing of the corners much the way they strengthened the j-frames

the ejector rod is offset, with the lock moved to the crane

all in all a very strong k-frame magnum

I agree with the changes to the lines of the frame

but the real problem is the lock, you can pull the guts out, but is that politically correct, might cause legal trouble down the road

I guess the crappy storage lock design is S&Ws way of helping sell Rugers........




GW - I'd agree, it might cause problems in a self defense gun, in court.

I also know of about a dozen cases in which the lock got engaged inadvertently - oddly enough, not a single person had a key on them when this happened. I'm not sure whether it comes on when firing or vibration - but two guys in one armored car found theirs on and they had not fired the guns (not sure if these guns were issue guns or not - perhaps they had drawn the guns from issue and the lock was on and they did not check them until later?).

I'd admit, the new barrel and the way S&W has been rifling in the last 20 years may well be more accurate - but I guess I like to tinker with guns too much and don't care for they way they install the two piece myself - again, I'm probably just a throw-back

Jim

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gw
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Posted - May 20 2018 :  08:43:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
storage locks seem to be just another way for Murphy to get involved, "whatever can happen will happen"

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