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Posted - November 17 2017 :  08:05:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Back in the 1980s I recall reading Evan and Massad Ayoob recommend carrying a final spare magazine of deeper penetrating ammo for possible barrier penetration.

Is this still a valid consideration with the higher tech bullets made today?

Also, would anyone recommend possibly carrying a spare magazine filled with a more shallow penetrating load like Glaser Safety Slugs for situations where overpenetetration or ricochet are absolutely unacceptable.

Thank you for your feedback.


Chris Christian
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Posted - November 17 2017 :  12:33:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by gw

for civilian carriers, I tend to go with the averages that show you start and end a fight with the carry gun and ammo in it.

that's what you have when trouble starts.

also includes the famous" fight your way back to your rifle " rule

probably ain't happening

for a cop or soldier, you might have time to gear up before you enter a situation, maybe

my thought, more important to carry a reload, if you think that requires a different type of ammo more power

but odds are, you won't get to it until the event is over

an old boy scout at heart, it never hurts to be prepared though

Good points. Most SD situations for civilians will be finished with the rounds in the gun. However, a spare magazine for a semi-auto pistol should always be carried because there are some malfunctions (Tip Up Jam and Double Feed) that can only be quickly cleared by dumping the mag, clearing the gun, and getting a fresh mag in. For a skilled shooter that takes less than 4 seconds.

What you carry in the second mag is up to you.

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Posted - November 17 2017 :  1:03:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I useta know people who would carry three or four .38's then three or two .357's in their revawver; same idea, different platform. Not sure if it was a good thing. Ace

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Posted - November 17 2017 :  3:18:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I got ambushed by the Black Panthers the second night out of the academy.

I was involved in another gunfight where I used 22 rounds of shotgun ammo.


I never once looked around as the paramedics, CSI, and Homicide rolled up and thought I'd brought too much ammo.

Been retired for 28 years and still carry multiple guns daily!

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Jim Higginbotham

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Posted - November 22 2017 :  11:55:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Averages don't mean much to the guy caught in the unusual situation ...

A guy with his head in the freezer and his foot in the oven is comfortable - on average

Ever since I tested the Browning 230 flat point BPT I've been carrying an extra (3rd) mag for my primary handgun. Heck I'm torn on whether to just carry all my ammo as the BPT - it makes a heck of a hole in test media. So far though I'm still carrying Hornady +P 220 gr Critical Duty, 230 HST +P or Winchester Ranger 230 +P (I've shot critters with all of those and it worked fine - speaking of expansion and penetration here, critters are not people - they are easier to stop in some cases).


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Posted - December 28 2017 :  6:00:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many years ago right after I started carrying a Beretta 92 on duty, I would plug in a couple FMJ around shot number 7 or 8, then back to HPs. I figured if I went through 6 or 7 rounds and wasn't getting the results I wanted, I would try something with a little more penetration. Fortunately, when I was involved in a shooting, it only took 3 rounds and worked well. I went home after a few hours at the hospital. Ive alternated issued rounds when I changed agencies, Ranger-T and Hydra-Shok. Just in case one did better than the other in an emergency situation. In one of my pistols I regularly carry, I alternate Gold Dot and XTPs.
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