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Uncle Mike
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Posted - March 27 2017 :  12:51:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, Filed under "stuff I really want, but really don't need". A M1 Garand clip loader. In the current Garand Collectors Journal, a member is advertising a copy of the clip loader designed by John Garand himself. The original was made in Cast iron and used Springfield 1903 clips for loading. There are plans online for one made of steel and one out of wood (?). You can make your own but I'm not that handy. If you do a search under "Norm's M1 Garand Clip Loader " you will see it in action on YouTube. Pretty neat, regards, Mike
PS: I talked to the seller and he's asking $425 + shipping, all steel, parkerized.

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jlwilliams
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Posted - April 17 2017 :  5:02:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ill stick with my thumb for loading them.
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Ace
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Posted - April 17 2017 :  8:12:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thumbs are cheap, and most people have a spare. Ace

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Evan
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Posted - April 18 2017 :  11:11:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even as uncoordinated as I am I always managed to get them loaded correctly. People are downplaying the quality of the current anticipated surplus crop from the Philippines but my Garand was produced in the fall of 1944 and despite the usual dings and stuff there wasn't a speck of rust, etc.

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Uncle Mike
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Posted - April 18 2017 :  11:26:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Evan, no one knows what the Philippine Garands look like. Maybe the CMP brass but they are not saying. As for the clip loader it's not needed, it's not cost effective but it sure is slick, regards, Mike

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  09:41:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I actually enjoy loading M1 Clips by hand - it connects me with my Dad's generation - I guess if I had to load thousands of them I might not be quite so happy

As it is I have several "spam" cans of 30-06 already loaded in clips and bandoliers anyway. I do have a bunch of new spare empty clips though - got them for a quarter each at a gun show decades ago.

Jim

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jle3030
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  10:46:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ace

Thumbs are cheap, and most people have a spare. Ace

Which reminds me... Last week I passed over something online where the writer claimed "There is no such thing as M1 thumb". I didn't bother to read how he reached that conclusion.

Jeff

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gw
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  1:14:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

quote:
Originally posted by Ace

Thumbs are cheap, and most people have a spare. Ace

Which reminds me... Last week I passed over something online where the writer claimed "There is no such thing as M1 thumb". I didn't bother to read how he reached that conclusion.

Jeff



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Chris Christian
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  1:50:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can assure all who are reading this thread that "M1 Thumb" does truly exist. And, it ain't from loading the clips. Please do not ask me how I know. I would prefer to forget those incidents.

Chris Christian
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jle3030
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  3:31:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently the title was click bait. The context was that you can't get M1 thumb while loading a full clip because to do so the bolt would have to override the top cartridge to catch the thumb. That and the fact that very often the bolt stays back when the clip is seated and doesn't slam home until nudged forward by hand. This controversy goes back far enough that it was addressed in an M1 field manual. Now sending the bolt home on an empty magazine...

Jeff

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Uncle Mike
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  4:13:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, If you load a clip or close a bolt w/o the clip and use the outer edge of your hand to hold back the op rod, you will not get caught. This is shown in the M1 Garand booklet "Read This First", supplied with every Garand sold by the CMP. If you got caught you are not using the right method. No disgrace you just didn't have the information . I was told that some people are afraid of the mechanism. When I show/sell or let someone shoot a Garand, I show them how to load using dummy rounds. I never had an accident, regards, Mike

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gw
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  4:19:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
some of that depends on bolt release timing, if you got one that releases early and ain't paying attention it will get you, usually when closing the bolt on an empty rifle.

but one good time usually provides an appropriate amount of training.



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Chris Christian
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  4:27:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by gw

some of that depends on bolt release timing, if you got one that releases early and ain't paying attention it will get you, usually when closing the bolt on an empty rifle.

but one good time usually provides an appropriate amount of training.






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LittleBill
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  5:46:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For real: research has shown that pain helps you remember!

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jle3030
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  6:10:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
People have told me that if we learn from our mistakes I must be a really fast learner. I wonder what they mean by that...

Jeff

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LittleBill
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  7:28:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess I must be a pretty learned guy by this time then....


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Uncle Mike
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Posted - April 20 2017 :  10:42:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gw

some of that depends on bolt release timing, if you got one that releases early and ain't paying attention it will get you, usually when closing the bolt on an empty rifle.

but one good time usually provides an appropriate amount of training.





Hi gw, if the timing is off then you need to replace parts as this causes jams and miss feeds. That's why there is a timing block/gauge. Usually it will not close at all and it's the bullet guide. If your hand edge is holding the op rod handle back it can't close. Point your hand forward towards the muzzle, parallel to the op rod, on the right side. Turn your hand down 90degrees. Push your hand against the op rod handle. Push the clip down with your thumb, easy, peasy, Mike

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - April 24 2017 :  09:01:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Christian

I can assure all who are reading this thread that "M1 Thumb" does truly exist. And, it ain't from loading the clips. Please do not ask me how I know. I would prefer to forget those incidents.



Amen to that! It is sorta like burning yourself on the stove - it only takes once to convince you a repeat of the event is not wanted.

Jim

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