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autochet
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Posted - October 19 2010 :  1:27:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hope some of you do not find this post redundant but I have a reason for asking this question. Is not the .40 Smith and Wesson the predominate law enforcement round in the United States today?

Evan
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Posted - October 19 2010 :  2:08:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
maybe-there has been alot of dropping of .40 pistols for 9MMs

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Arvinator
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Posted - October 20 2010 :  08:36:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I say yes, by the numbers, but being a cop for over 20 years now, IF I could carry my Glock 17 instead of me Glock 22, I would in a heartbeat. I do own pistols in both calibers, but the 9mm is nothing to lose sleep over, and loaded with a good +P or +P+ round I feel well armed...

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - October 21 2010 :  2:30:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Evan probably has his finger on the pulse of the nation's L.E. more than me, but in my little corner of the world (The SouthEast) I see a lot more .40s and .45s than 9mms.

When I came on with the department I am with 80% of them had 9mms. Today 1 officer has a 9mm. Of the L.E. agencies who come through and use our ranges (probably 15 agencies from several cities, counties and states as well as a few federal) I'd say we get 5% 9mm, 75% .40 and 20% .45. We get the occasional rare .357 Sig and the occasional 10mm.

One Department I train regularly was probably reflective of those number when they started regularly coming here. Today they have one officer with a 9mm and the .45s are gaining on the .40s but the latter is still more prevalent.

Again, it could very well be a regional thing.

Jim

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Dov
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USA
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Posted - October 21 2010 :  8:18:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim: Any idea what calibers Tom gets at Rangemaster? Similar breakdown to leo?
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Pitbull
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  07:17:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most of agencies in my area carry the .40 cal.
In all of the instructor schools I attended in the past few years the .40 was still the most widely used.

Edited by - Pitbull on October 22 2010 07:21:23 AM
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mojo
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USA
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  10:34:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.40 seems to be the most popular in my neck of the woods. Most of the area police departments and Sheriff's offices allow the officer to choose their gun/caliber combination from an approved list. .45 ACP is the apparent second with 9mm an also ran. Glock looks like the predominate platform simply because that's the gun the regional police academy requires.

edit: From a CHL viewpoint I see 9mm three to one in my classes with the .45 ACP second and a scattering of other calibers.

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  10:35:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dov

Jim: Any idea what calibers Tom gets at Rangemaster? Similar breakdown to leo?



Well I certainly should know but if I just take a stab at it I will be wrong and Tom is lurking around and can give it on the spur of the moment.

My suspicion is that it is mostly .40 but the 9mms are probably a higher % than with the departments I am seeing.

Jim

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Tom Givens
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USA
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  7:45:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most of our student involved incidents have been .40. Both the city police and Sheriff's office here issue .40's, a lot of my staff carry one, so a lot of our students use the .40 caliber. It has worked extremely well for us.

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enidpd804
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  9:06:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We're seeing a few more 9mms but it's still mostly 40 and 45 here. I think the key factor in that is ammo cost and quick recovery time of the 9mm. I made up my mind a long time ago that the 9mm was probably as good as anything realistically, but I'm more comfortable with a 40 for duty. So, that's what I carry.

Now, if M&P came in 10mm...

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Arvinator
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  9:17:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I carry the .40 per policy. I felt well armed with my 9mm, .40 or my old Smith 645. The firearm is a tool, and IF it has the right ammo, any of the three should serve you well.

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Evan
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  9:54:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Indiana SP, Minneapolis, Topeka all swapped their 40 Glocks. Indiana and Topeka traded for 9MM Glocks. Not sure about Minn.

Detroit swapped .40 Glocks for .40 M&P's and NMSP traded .357 Glocks for .357 M&P's.

I love my DAO .40 Beretta PX4 Storm-DPX takes the worry out of being close.

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Arvinator
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USA
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  11:04:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like my Sig P-229 ove the Glock 22. I like my Model 23 over the model 22!

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Glenn
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Posted - October 22 2010 :  11:27:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Three agencies issue a .45 Glock 21 and the rest are issued the .40 cal Glock 22 the issue ammo for both seems to be the Remington Golden Saber BJHP although you can purchase your own ammo at your expense. Reserves can carry any brand in .40 S&W or .45ACP as long as they meet their departments qualification standards I've seen some XD's and a few FNP's

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fatbaldguy
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Posted - October 23 2010 :  08:29:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
off the top of my head, among the 10 largest police depts here in Va 2 are carrying .357 sig
and the other 8 issue .40s
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Ten Driver
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Posted - October 24 2010 :  5:12:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I'm not sure it is 100% accurate, but I was given the following list (below) which details the guns issued by State Police/Highway Patrol in the United States.

The list shows 25 agencies issue .40 S&W, 9 issue .357 Sig, 8 issue 9mm, 7 issue .45 ACP, and 1 issues .45 GAP. Again, the data may not be correct (corrections/feedback encouraged), but at the state level, it appears that .40 S&W is much more popular than 9mm.

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Alabama Glock 22/23 (.40 S&W)
Alaska Glock 22/23 (.40 S&W)
Arizona Sig P229 (9mm)
Arkansas Glock 21/22 (.45 ACP)
California S&W 4006TSW (.40 S&W)
Colorado S&W 4006 (.40 S&W)
Connecticut Sig P226/P229 (.40 S&W)
Delaware Sig P229 (.357Sig)
Florida Beretta 96D (.40 S&W)
Georgia Glock 37 (.45 GAP)
Hawaii (Honolulu County) S&W 5906 (9mm)
Idaho Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Illinois Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Indiana Glock 17 (9mm)
Iowa S&W 4046 (.40 S&W)
Kansas Glock 21 (.45 ACP)
Kentucky Glock 34 (.40 S&W)
Lousiana Sig P220 issued. (.45 ACP) Glock 21, Glock 17 are optional
Maine HK USP (.45 ACP)
Maryland Beretta 96D (.40 S&W)
Massachusetts Sig P226 (.40 S&W)
Michigan Sig P226 (.40 S&W)
Minnesota Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Mississippi S&W 4046 (Had changed to glock recently Glock 22, 35) (.40 S&W)
Missouri Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Montana Sig P229 (.357Sig)
Nebraska Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
New Hampshire S&W 4566 (.45 ACP)
Nevada S&W 4006 (.40 S&W)
New Jersey Sig 228 (9mm)
New Mexico S&W M&P (.357 Sig)
New York Glock 17 (9mm)
North Carolina Beretta Cougar (.357Sig)
North Dakota S&W 4506 (.45 ACP)
Ohio Sig P229/P226 (.40 S&W)
Oklahoma Sig P226R (.357Sig)
Oregon Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Pennsylvania Beretta 96D Brigadier HRT Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Rhode Island Sig P229 (.357Sig)
South Carolina Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
South Dakota Beretta 92F (9mm)
Tennessee Glock 31 (.357Sig)
Texas Sig P229/P226 (.357Sig)
Utah Beretta Cougar (.40 S&W)
Vermont Sig P229 (.40 S&W)
Virginia Sig P229RDAK (.357Sig)
Washington S&W M&P (.40 S&W)
West Virginia S&W 4566TSW (.45 ACP)
Wisconsin Ruger P89 (9mm)
Wyoming Beretta 92f ( Changed to Glock Recently) (9mm)

Edited by - Ten Driver on October 24 2010 9:02:51 PM
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perrodelucha
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USA
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Posted - October 24 2010 :  7:13:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i heard that our troopers (sc) went to the 45gap.
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pcsd200
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USA
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  01:27:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arizona issues the Sig in .40

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Arvinator
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  10:57:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In Arkansas, the State Police and State Parks carry the 21SF in .45, the Game & Fish and Highway police carry the Model 22 in .40, and State Parole/Probation, State Capitol and ABC (Alcohol) Enforcement carry the Model 23 in .40 In ABC Enforcement, the Model 27 or a personal sidearm is approved by the director on a case by case basis I was told, with one now wearing a first Model 21. ABC has less that 20 Agents, so not much to worry, but at least they have options.

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Ten Driver
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  3:43:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys,

So, just for the heck of it, let's see if we can update this list a bit.

PCSD200--you didn't specify which model Sig, so I assumed the P229. Is this correct, or do they use the P226?

Corrected Version:

Alabama Glock 22/23 (.40 S&W)
Alaska Glock 22/23 (.40 S&W)
Arizona Sig P226 (.40 S&W)
Arkansas Glock 21SF (State Police), Glock 22 (S.P. Highway Patrol) (.45 ACP, .40 S&W)
California S&W 4006TSW (.40 S&W)
Colorado S&W 4006 (.40 S&W)
Connecticut Sig P226/P229 (.40 S&W)
Delaware Sig P229 (.357Sig)
Florida Glock 37 (.45 GAP)
Georgia Glock 37 (.45 GAP)
Hawaii (Honolulu County) S&W 5906 (9mm)
Idaho Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Illinois Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Indiana Glock 17 (9mm)
Iowa S&W 4046 (.40 S&W)
Kansas Glock 21 (.45 ACP)
Kentucky Glock 34 (.40 S&W)
Lousiana Sig P220 issued. (.45 ACP) Glock 21, Glock 17 are optional
Maine HK USP (.45 ACP)
Maryland Beretta 96D (.40 S&W)
Massachusetts Sig P226 (.40 S&W)
Michigan Sig P226 (.40 S&W)
Minnesota Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Mississippi S&W 4046 (Had changed to glock recently Glock 22, 35) (.40 S&W)
Missouri Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Montana Sig P229 (.357Sig)
Nebraska Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
New Hampshire S&W 4566 (.45 ACP)
Nevada S&W 4006 (.40 S&W)
New Jersey Sig 228 (9mm)
New Mexico S&W M&P (.357 Sig)
New York Glock 37 (.45 GAP)
North Carolina Beretta Cougar (.357Sig)
North Dakota S&W 4506 (.45 ACP)
Ohio Sig P229/P226 (.40 S&W)
Oklahoma Sig P226R (.357Sig)
Oregon Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
Pennsylvania Glock 37 (.45 GAP)
Rhode Island Sig P229 (.357Sig)
South Carolina Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
South Dakota Beretta 92F (9mm)
Tennessee Glock 31 (.357Sig)
Texas Sig P229/P226 (.357Sig)
Utah Beretta Cougar (.40 S&W)
Vermont Sig P229 (.40 S&W)
Virginia Sig P229RDAK (.357Sig)
Washington S&W M&P (.40 S&W)
West Virginia S&W 4566TSW (.45 ACP)
Wisconsin Ruger P89 (9mm)
Wyoming Beretta 92f ( Changed to Glock Recently) (9mm)

Edited by - Ten Driver on October 28 2010 1:56:08 PM
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pcsd200
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USA
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  4:08:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
226

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Olddog84
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USA
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  4:56:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of this is out of date, the last I heard New York and Pennsylvania (for sure, neighbor of my brother, a PA state trooper and I talked about it) are carrying Glock 37 in 45 GAP.

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Ten Driver
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  7:58:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Guys. I corrected AZ and PA above.

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Posted - October 25 2010 :  11:30:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Add NYSP to the 45GAP group along with neighboring PA.
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autochet
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Posted - October 26 2010 :  09:43:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info. I was curious because I have been reading some material lately that seems to condemn the .40 Smith and Wesson while proclaiming that "smart people", especially law enforcement, are going back to the 9mm parabellum. I personally believe (based a lot on what I have read over the years on this board) that as long as one has a weapon reliable with good ammunition the cartridge component of personal defense is taken care of. I personally like the .40 but have no arguments with either the 9mm or .45 ACP.
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Ten Driver
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Posted - October 27 2010 :  12:46:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very Good! A confirmation from cellamet and NY has been changed.

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Mike
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