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Arvinator
Advanced Member
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 Posted - October 20 2009 : 4:11:36 PM
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| Just bought from a fellow copper above pistol, Don't know much about it, he said he fired one mag thru it. Any experiences or knowledge of one? Thanks. |
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mojo
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - October 20 2009 : 5:23:34 PM
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| A fellow on the Texas Concealed Handgun board has one and brags on it. I have no first hand knowledge - - - They look good and Taurus' pistols have been better of late. You have a lifetime transferable warranty if that tells you anything. |
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.
To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
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Evan
Administrator
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Posted - October 20 2009 : 5:56:49 PM
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| had one-it ran good-for a bit then it spent more time at Taurus than with me |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1826 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 6:53:33 PM
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| Well I hope this one does not cause me any problems. I got it at a real good price, and if it is a problem I will drop it quickly.... |
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Bill D
Senior Member
USA
517 Posts |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 02:13:13 AM
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| Arvinator, I have a Taurus Millenium Pro series three. This is the one that is supposed to have all the bugs worked out. So far it has functioned without a problem. The sights are Heine figure eight which take some getting used to. I've shoot mainly WW 115 gr FMJ, 115gr Winchester Silvertips and some Cor-Bon with no problems. The 2nd strike trigger is really nice, I like the idea of a safety. I like it better then my Glock 26. There are some forums that discuss the pistol in detail. Find out what series it is, best advice I can give, been carrying it in my front pocket, fits good. Bill |
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Edited by - Bill D on October 21 2009 02:17:17 AM |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1826 Posts |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 07:09:18 AM
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| Mine is the same, bought new 2-3 months ago, same sights, etc. Maybe this one has the bugs worked out. Thanks. |
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mspears
Senior Member
USA
535 Posts |
Posted - October 23 2009 : 1:46:47 PM
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| IIRC, if it says "Millenium Pro" on the slide, then it's the lastest model. I've had a PT-145 Pro for a couple of years now and maybe 500 rounds through it. It has it's ammo preferences and has been 100% with ammo it likes. I've been one of the unlucky ones with Taurus handguns, so I feel I need another 500 trouble free rounds before I'm going to trust it. So far, so good though. Good luck with yours. |
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - October 23 2009 : 11:28:21 PM
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OK, on one side of the slide it has large letters MILLENNIUM, and on the other side if has PT 111 PRO. Serial number prefix is Tan xxx. I was told he got it new 3-4 months ago, and he has only fired two mags thru it. I am teaching my step-son and his girlfriend a CHL class this Sunday after Church, and this will be used as part of T/E and him to train with. The class is not much on shooting, but he will fire several hundred rounds for this stubborn and arrogant instructor.
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Mark Marshall
Administrator
USA
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Posted - November 03 2009 : 11:06:42 PM
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I know some people that have owned the newer models and have been happy with them. The transferable lifetime warranty is nice.
Having said that my older Millennium 9mm is back (that's right back, probably it's final trip for repairs under my tutelage) at Taurus right now with a problem that I think is going to lead them to sending me a new pistol as I don't see how they are going to fix this...
It was a fun little gun and quite reliable for a long time, but I'm afraid it is time for me to find something that is going to fit my needs a little better than something I can't trust beyond being a 'range' gun.
I really like Taurus guns, and their customer service has always been good anytime I had to deal with them when I worked at the gun shop, but I think I am going to transition into one of their wheel guns after I sell whatever Taurus ends up sending me back. |
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BobK
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - November 04 2009 : 12:32:19 AM
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I've owned three Taurus revolvers and two autos. Had significant problems with each. I won't own another Taurus product.
I have known several people that had good luck with them but I don't. |
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mspears
Senior Member
USA
535 Posts |
Posted - November 04 2009 : 08:46:46 AM
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| I'm with BobK. If I go to a gun show and there's 10 Taurus handguns on a table and 1 of them is a lemon, I'll be the one who gets it. I've had my issues with Taurus in the past. IMO, if they'd just pay a lot more attention to their QC, they'd be a much bigger player than they are now, but what do I know. When I bought my PT145 there were several other NIB Millenium Pro pistols on the table. I really wanted the PT111, but after picking it up, it had some obvious issues with the slide to frame fit. I wondered how it ever made it out of the plant. I bought the PT145 and so far it's been great, but in the back of my mind I keep waiting for something to break. I can't bring myself to carry it when I've got Glocks, Sigs and Rugers that I've never had an issue with. |
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
Dwight D. Eisenhower |
Edited by - mspears on November 04 2009 08:58:14 AM |
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Glenn
Senior Member
USA
964 Posts |
Posted - November 04 2009 : 1:15:05 PM
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| I had the .40 S&W version of the one that Arvinator describes it ran well but after sustained fire it began to drag and bind up so I cleaned it hoping that would help it didn't then it would fail to fully eject the spent round after every 10th round. So I got rid of it and traded it along with a Ruger LCP for my Browning HP MKIII and I am much happier with the Browning HP having had absolutely zero problems with it. |
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carlojohn90
New Member
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Posted - November 04 2009 : 1:55:04 PM
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| I must be the odd one, because I've owned a number of Taurus handguns and have had problems with only a single one, a Taurus 94 which had a misaligned rear sight. I've owned four of the PT series and they have all functioned perfectly. Two of my shooting buddies have PT 111s that work perfectly well. I can't say that I ever warmed up to any of their triggers, but they certainly never impeded functionality. In all honesty, I've had greater problems with my Smith guns than I have had with Taurus. |
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spwenger
Average Member
USA
456 Posts |
Posted - November 04 2009 : 2:02:13 PM
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Taurus recently lost a lawsuit in Alabama in which one of their PT111's fired when the owner dropped it, while secured in a holster, with the manual safety in place. The following is reported to be a summary from the plaintiff's successful attorney:
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Plaintiff is a 28 year old business owner in northwest Etowah County [AL]. He was leaving his home, headed to his store when he unintentionally dropped his handgun. The handgun is a Taurus PT111 9mm Millennium, which he bought in 2004. He had the handgun loaded, with a round in the chamber, with the manual safety in the "on" position. It was also secured in a nylon holster with a strap. When the handgun fell, it struck the concrete floor with the butt of the gun. It discharged, striking the plaintiff in the upper thigh. The projectile travelled in an upward direction, through his abdomen and into his left lung. He suffered serious internal injuries, which included losing his spleen. The first police officer on the scene found the handgun with the manual safety in the "on" position. Once the handgun was photographed and taken into evidence, a fired (spent) shell casing was found in the chamber of the weapon. This was crucial evidence, because the manual safety on this model handgun locks the slide and prevents the rearward movement of the slide if the handgun discharges. This helped prove to the jury that the manual safety was in fact on at the time of the unintended discharge. Also, the manual safety has absolutely nothing to do with preventing an unintended discharge from dropping (if you can believe that). The defect in the handgun is the internal striker block (internal firing pin block). This is supposed to prevent the movement of the striker (firing pin) if the gun is exposed to a sharp impact (such as a drop). We actually were able to record on video a PT111 firing a primed case when dropped in a similar manner to our facts. The jury found that a defect existed and returned a 500k compensatory verdict and a 750k punitive verdict. Plaintiff had roughly 71k in specials.
There are still over 100k of these guns on the market. It will happen again if Taurus chooses not to do a recall. Taurus PT140's and PT145's have the same internal striker block mechanism. It is my belief that they will also discharge if dropped.
The news article I read stated that Taurus claims that this is the only case of which they know and is appealing. However, from the article, it sounded as though it was the punitive award that wasw being appealed. |
Stephen P. Wenger
Firearm safety - it's a matter for education, not legislation. |
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Bill D
Senior Member
USA
517 Posts |
Posted - November 05 2009 : 01:18:39 AM
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| Extremely interesting, been wondering about this case. There are some questions in my mind, such as, when was the last time the weapon was cleaned? Would be nice to know the condition of the firingpin channel,as it sounds like the firing pin was stuck in the firing position. Could it be a manufacturing defect,a design defect in this series pistol, would sure like more info? As an added thought, the series 3 is California approved and they do have a drop test.Bill |
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Edited by - Bill D on November 05 2009 01:37:53 AM |
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spwenger
Average Member
USA
456 Posts |
Posted - November 05 2009 : 2:20:32 PM
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Originally posted by Bill D
As an added thought, the series 3 is California approved and they do have a drop test.Bill
The quote was forwarded to me by an attorney/reserve officer on my mailing list because the forum on which it was posted is inaccessible without a password. The version I received actually included a prefatory note, presumably by the attorney who posted it in the forum:
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A friend in the firearms industry had already told me these little guns failed the CA DOJ drop test a few years back. The firing pin block mechanism is apparently one that can fail. This summary of a trial verdict this week in NEAL was forwarded to me by a friend in the legal community this a.m.
Having left the PRC over ten years ago, I find that I lack the stomach to keep up with all the legal issues there. Without meaning to minimize the cleaning issues, is it possible that an older version may have flunked the drop test and that Taurus may have made an unannounced upgrade in that area?
This past Monday, a friend told me about a slam-fire locally, where a guy put a round into his ceiling (and beyond?) while showing his wife how to chamber a round in his semi-auto AK rifle. He had brought it into to one of the local gun shops, where they attributed the slam-fire to accumulated residue in the firing-pin channel.
Seems as though the topic is worthy of further research and discussion. |
Stephen P. Wenger
Firearm safety - it's a matter for education, not legislation. |
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Bill D
Senior Member
USA
517 Posts |
Posted - November 06 2009 : 01:46:02 AM
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| Looked on the DOJ website in California and the PT111 is an approved pistol.Left the PRC 35 years ago and never to go back, don't even like to visit anymore. Hope more info is forthcoming on the PT111 problem. Bill |
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