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Lockjaw
New Member
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 Posted - October 18 2009 : 5:50:53 PM
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Help me out. I already have an LCP with a nemisis pocket holster. I have a Keltec P11, and am after a glock. Either the 19 or 26.
What are the pro's and con's? I had a 23 a long time ago, but didn't like the 40. Ruffed up my finger and made what should be fun, not so fun.
I can get a 17 right now for 399 that is a demo gun. What kind of night sights would you put on it, regardless of which one?
I also have a taurus 357 5 shot snub, and an ankle holster or pocket for it. My keltec will also fit in the ankle. Right now it is in a Don Hume holster for a G19 and seems to work fine. |
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Evan
Administrator
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Posted - October 18 2009 : 6:01:00 PM
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| I carry a G17 backed up by a Smith 642 for ccw with spare mag, flash light and speedloader |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 18 2009 : 6:45:56 PM
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| I own both a G17 and a G19, and I had a G26 but bills and my wife were more important. I like the 17 overall, the 19 is just a tad smaller, and night sights are no big deal to me, they are nice but not a must have item. I'd invest ina good compact flashlight and the 17 sounds like it may be a good deal so there you go. Dress around your hardware. |
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pcsd200
Junior Member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - October 18 2009 : 6:56:58 PM
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I have both the 17 and 19. The 26 just never felt good in my hand.
Night sights are a must if you plan on using this as a carry or home defense gun.
Flashlights are nice, but batteries fail and bulbs burn out. Mine have meprolight sights. They sit up a little higher and are easier to pick up quickly.
If I could only have one, It would be the 19. Good capacity, easily concealed. |
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fatbaldguy
Junior Member
USA
243 Posts |
Posted - October 18 2009 : 8:19:59 PM
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| it is hard to beat a G17 |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 18 2009 : 9:02:32 PM
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| As I am typing this I have a G17 loaded with +P+ jhp's and a 642 loaded with Nyclads. TWO flashlights are within reach. I keep a flashlight in each bedroom, living room, family room, and the bathroom we use most of the time. Bedside have two powerful flashlights and a snap on light/laser for the G21SF. The gun light is to be a last ditch for illumination, no bullet magnet for me. My G17 is a older one, I'd like a new one but that's another story.......... |
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Chuck
Advanced Member
USA
2680 Posts |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 06:17:12 AM
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The G26 would duplicate the size of your P11, while being both more reliable and durable.
The G19 is not much bigger, but for almost everyone is much more shootable. I use the G26 strictly as a BUG for bigger Glocks.
The price you quote for a G17 seems to be good, if the gun isn't beaten up badly.
Sights are a very personal thing. We issue either Meprolights or Trijicons here, and they work for most folks. I have the 24/7 XS Big Dot sights on all my Glocks. These work for me and my eyeballs better than anything else, but some folks really don't care for them at all.
Ask your self; What is the reason I want/need this gun?
If it is to fill a needed gap in your battery (BUG, primary carry, hunting gun, etc.) then evaluate the pistol to the mission it needs to accomplish.
On the other hand, if you have the money and just want a new gun, then have at it. A G17 is, INSMHO, never a poor purchase. |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 07:45:11 AM
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The mission is that I want a very good reliable gun in a common caliber, in case things get ugly. Since the last election, I have been adding and selling guns to position my "arsenal" to commonly available catridges.
I have a 40 I am selling, not a glock, but I don't like shooting it. I have a 1911 (kimber), but I need a good 9. The keltec is ok, but it is small and light. My 9 purchase is pretty much either a glock or an XD, I don't want to have to flip a safety, or have a long heavy trigger. Don't want to do the DA/SA transition either.
How do you guys conceal/carry a G17 comfortably? I am 6'3 and about 205, but a full size gun is uncomfortable for me. My keltec is pretty comfy in its Hume holster, which is for a G19. |
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wolfgang2000
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - October 19 2009 : 12:56:05 PM
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Originally posted by Lockjaw
Help me out. I already have an LCP with a nemisis pocket holster. I have a Keltec P11, and am after a glock. Either the 19 or 26.
What are the pro's and con's? I had a 23 a long time ago, but didn't like the 40. Ruffed up my finger and made what should be fun, not so fun.
I can get a 17 right now for 399 that is a demo gun. What kind of night sights would you put on it, regardless of which one?
I also have a taurus 357 5 shot snub, and an ankle holster or pocket for it. My keltec will also fit in the ankle. Right now it is in a Don Hume holster for a G19 and seems to work fine.
Just a size comparison, the P11 you have is approx. the same size as a G26.
That is a awfully good price on a 17. The decision is going to be you. Which one feels good in your hand.
Another size comparison. If you put a +2 mag in a 26 the front of the grip is as long as a standard 19. There is only a 1/2 inch loss of a barrel and 1 inch loss of grip, when you compare a 19 and a 26.
That said my duty carry was a 19 on the belt, a 26 on my ankle, and a Kel-Tec 32 (after they came out, prior it was a Hi-Standard 22 mag derringer.) in my off side back pocket. |
“The key is to hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit them repeatedly. The one shot stop is a unit of measurement not a tactical philosophy.” Evan Marshall |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 2:39:24 PM
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Well I went down and bought the 17. What the deal was is it is a rep gun, and they have to buy them. My buddies in the store said most of the time, the guns aren't even fired, but they have to sell them as used, so I got basically a brand new G17 in the box for 399.
I compared it to a 19, there really isn't much difference in length.
Maybe you guys can point me to some holster choices that make carrying it more comfortable? I mean with my Keltec and LCP, I would feel plenty comfy, the Keltec is a proven little gun. I got 12 round mags for it too, so it would have 13 rounds.
The 17 will likely be my house gun for the most part. I guess I need to get a light for it, or laser too. |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 3:05:52 PM
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| I'd buy at LEAST two good flashlights, one for pocket or belt, the other at bedside or other place you know it will be at. Holster? Don Hume is the best for the money. I will admit, around the house my 17 rides in a Fobus paddle and it works fine for me, to each his own. Laser? Well, you gotta know what you can and can't do, and a light or laser can become a target for the bad guy to shoot at. I'd practice a bunch, at ranges to 7 yds, alot then go from there. I shoot some close some not so close. Some one handed, some weak handed. I just try to think of what can go wrong, and train from there. You can buy ALOT of practice ammo for a laser/light combo, and buy a proven round for carry/defensive use. I like a +P or +P+ round. Good luck. |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 10:31:45 PM
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What kind of flashlights?
I have a Don Hume. My Keltec is in it, its for a G19, but my 17 seems to fit in it too.
What is a pancake holster? I have an IWB Don Hume. |
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Muleskinner
Junior Member
USA
231 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 02:54:55 AM
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| I think that the Fobus Paddle holster is not only a great buy, it is a great holster. I have ones for my P-11, my G26 & G19 (it fits both), and my G30SF. It fits close to the body, is light weight and is easy to put on or remove. For about $28 from the manufacturer, it is hard to beat!!! |
Each of us is an innkeeper, and we decide if there is room for Jesus..... Neal A. Maxwell |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 07:24:03 AM
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I call a pancake a beltslide, look at it is a holster with belt loops in front and behind the gun. As far as flashlights go, there are many to choose from. I like Surefire for small ones, and I also own a couple of Streamlight Scorpions, the two brands I just typed use the 3 volt lithium batteries. Good and powerful lights. I also like for around the house Streamlight Stinger rechargeables, they are not to big and powerful beams. Being a cop for working on 20 yrs now, I've collected an assortment of lights, and there are many "New" brands out there that I am behind the times on. I do have a full size rechargeable flashlight by the bed, it could be used as an impact / club in a last effort if needed. That may seem cruel, but the intruder is being pretty cruel to invade your home and molest your loved ones.
I guess if I had to "Start fresh" I would buy a Streamlight Scorpion, and then a Streamlight Stinger rechargeable, just based on my own uses of them. You are more likely to need a light for other reasons than a "gunfight", and a smoke filled house is NOT the time to trust a 20 dollar mag light, a good, but not that powerful light. |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 07:37:44 AM
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I will run down and check with the new tactical store that opened up. These guys will die when I tell them what I paid for this G17. I did inspect it closely last night. It has the 2 shots fired by Glock with it, but best I can tell, it is an unfired weapon beyond that.
It's been a long time since I have had a Glock, and now I feel all warm and fuzzy again. Thanks for encouraging the G17 too. |
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Evan
Administrator
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Posted - October 20 2009 : 07:55:58 AM
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| Although I've lost 25lbs over the last yr I'm still a man of substance and prefer a full size concealed primary pistol. |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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haywood
Junior Member
172 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 12:10:40 PM
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| My 26 seems very accurate and easy to control. I just ordered Mag Sleeves to use a G17 Mag and a G19 Mag. The Sleeves fill in the space left by the larger Mag. |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 12:11:42 PM
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| I know tactical has it's proper meaning, but there are more armchair commandos who will blow smoke your way, and alot do it to make a dollar from you so be careful. I always compare prices and make sure that for the money I get what I need, somethings I have dropped the ball on a few times in the past. |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 5:21:29 PM
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They are a pretty nice bunch. They all carry glocks, that should be a plus for them. They actually went through just about all their holsters to find one for my Keltec, which is really for a G19, but it works for my Keltec, and G17 also.
What I don't want is some uncle mikes cheapie. I want something I can carry in comfortably, and they will let me bring my gun in, and try it out.
They are very nice and customer focused. I think I paid 28 bucks for my Don Hume IWB leather holster, so that seemed pretty reasonable to me. |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 6:57:33 PM
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| The Don Hume price sounded good to me, Don't kid yourself on a Uncle Mike's. I have one over 12 years old STILL does me well. I have a Desantis Nemisis I got free in a trade, so I swap off between the two. If I had to start fresh, the Uncle Mike's pocket holster would be my first pick. |
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jle3030
Advanced Member
USA
2539 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 8:32:55 PM
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My daughter's duty gun is a G17. She likes it better than my G19. But she feels the need for a G26 when dressed in casual attire. I have had a G19 for years and don't find the G26 enough smaller to matter for me. If my primary were the G17, I'd probably want a G26 too.
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
1841 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 9:21:43 PM
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| If I carried a G17 on duty, I would have be thrilled!! I have to carry a G22, and G27 as backup. |
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Lockjaw
New Member
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 10:26:16 PM
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| I got to go see what they got on another Don Hume, they got enough stuff I should be able to get a good variety to look at. |
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Chuck
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - November 08 2009 : 02:49:57 AM
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Don Hume makes good stuff.
I've been using the Galco and Blade Tech IWB holsters for my G17 and G19, I can highly recommend those. |
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Kevin
Advanced Member
USA
1650 Posts |
Posted - November 08 2009 : 09:44:48 AM
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I'm almost afraid to admit it, but the single best holster I've found for my various Glocks is the Glock brand "Sport Combat" holster - about $12 dollars at most places. Like the Glock, it's ugly as sin, but works! It carries my Glocks at what is just about a perfect angle (too much forward cant makes the back of the slide "print" and too vertical makes the butt print, at least for me), pulls the gun in close to my body, and is impervious to sweat/rain/whatever.
My only complaint is that I don't like the open "slide" design; if they'd make one that was platform specific and covered the full length of the slide, I'd have one for every flavor of Glocks I carry.
WRT G19 or G26, that's really personal preference. I carry a G19 or G23 every day at work in casual attire or business suit with no problem. But, when the heat and humidity get stupid (say between late Feb and early Nov here in FL!) I sometimes find myself "down gunning" to my PM9 as a primary carry off duty (backed up with a j-frame, of course!). I've got a G27 in-bound, so I'll be giving that a go to see if it's "smaller" enough that I'll carry it as a primary off duty.
The other pistol to consider is the S&W M&P Compact - for an off-duty or full time discreet CCW, it looks like it might be just the right size - and it offers a slight magazine capacity advantage over the Baby Glocks...
Regards,
Kevin |
"Fast is fine, accuracy is final..." |
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BobK
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - November 08 2009 : 12:43:45 PM
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| You got a good deal on the G17. Long as it works properly of course. |
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19 or 26?
