StoppingPower.net Forums
Home
Forums
Commentary
H&S
About
StoppingPower.net Forums

StoppingPower.net Forums - Federal to Re-Introduce the non+P 38 Special
StoppingPower.net Forums
StoppingPower.net Forums
Forums Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Members | Search | FAQ | Invite a friend
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Stopping Power
 Stopping Power
 Federal to Re-Introduce the non+P 38 Special
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 2

cocojo
Starting Member

36 Posts

Posted - December 09 2008 :  4:16:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see rumors flying around that Federal is bringing back the 38 Special Non +P 125HP Nyclad(Chief Load)for the 09 shot show. Anyone here heard anything about this. This would be excellent news, now I can practice and use the same ammuntion without running out. I hope it's as good, if not better than the Nyclads in my guns now.

n/a
deleted

3224 Posts

Posted - December 09 2008 :  5:18:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Because of the proliferation of CCL the 38 special is going through a resurgence . J frame's are selling like crazy and not everyone either wants or can carry a +p load.
I think we may seea number of standard pressure loads in the next year. I have read that Hornady has introduced a CCL specific round
Jim
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 09 2008 :  6:04:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
more likely a .38 Special HST

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 09 2008 :  6:54:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think ego's are too big to go back to the future.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

cocojo
Starting Member

36 Posts

Posted - December 09 2008 :  8:51:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A 125 HST in 38 special non+P would fill the bill quite nicely. Pending that it worked as planned. I think Jim is right the 38 is making a big comeback. All I have been carrying since I retired from LE in 07 after 30 years, has been two 38 snubby colts. I hardly carry an auto pistol anymore. Maybe I going through a faze and coming full circle, where I started. Funny how one time in my career I carried a revolver and couldn't wait to get an auto, now my 38's are just fine. Older and wiser maybe or just that now I can have wantever I want. Six for sure maybe, who knows.
Go to Top of Page

TT
Average Member

380 Posts

Posted - December 11 2008 :  2:42:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speer makes a standard pressure 125 grain Gold Dot round, but itís kind of hard to find (part number 53722). Thereís a gel test of it out there on the web.
Go to Top of Page

Arvinator
Advanced Member

USA
5625 Posts

Posted - December 11 2008 :  6:47:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am glad that they are coming back to earth, and remember the wheelgunners. I loved the nyclad chief special loads, and hope they make them, or something close.

Be honest, fair, and always prepared...
Go to Top of Page

gewehrmonkey
Junior Member

USA
122 Posts

Posted - December 12 2008 :  1:19:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is exciting to me. My girlfriend swiped my Titanium Taurus for CCW (since her Colt king Kobra isn't exactly a purse gun). She can shoot it well enough but, those +p loads are a handful and a decent non+p load that reliably expands is exactly what I have been looking for to stoke that gun. I will first try to find some of the gold dot non+ps for right now.
Go to Top of Page

Nicolas Deem
Senior Member

826 Posts

Posted - December 12 2008 :  7:15:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well it's 2008 and we have several officers carrying J frames at work. It is just as common as the Glock 27 and the Kel Tecs. I even saw a detective wear a snubby J frame on his side one day at the station.

"We don't go to work, we go to war."

Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 12 2008 :  7:34:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
evryone should have atleast one J frame on them-somewhere. I certainly don't anywhere without my Scandium .357. Tonight I went to a special Church mtg some 40 miles away with a Glock 30SF, Glock 26, Scandium snub and KT P32.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

Nicolas Deem
Senior Member

826 Posts

Posted - December 26 2008 :  5:40:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't remember seeing it before but now they have a standard velocity 125 grain HST round rated for 950fps. I haven't been able to find it.

"We don't go to work, we go to war."

Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 26 2008 :  5:42:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Federal's LE ammo is a seperate web site from comercial loads.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

Nicolas Deem
Senior Member

826 Posts

Posted - December 26 2008 :  6:53:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's where I found it but I can't find it for sale anywhere. In fact ammo is getting harder to get these days. Everyone is scared that Obama is going to mess with ammo and guns, so they are buying everything up. Where were all these people on election day?

"We don't go to work, we go to war."

Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 26 2008 :  7:56:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it may not be in production yet-I'll check with Federal at the SHOT SHOW-actually I'll be with Burcznski who invented HST and Hydra Shok, Quick Shok and Starfire-I'll ask him.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

threefeathers
Junior Member

USA
124 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  09:36:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is an understatement to say the .38 Special is making a comeback. I'd say at least a quarter of my students are carrying them, my wife included.
I confess to having a Det Spec as my by the bed go to gun. However, I still stoke them with the good old FBI load" and I feel pretty sure it will do the job.

Scouts Out
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  09:44:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lhp is fine-Rem is just a bit better in my snubs

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

coltjeeper
Starting Member

USA
43 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  6:28:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just checked Federal's Premium Ammo site, the Nyclad is listed on there now, wasn't there the other day.
Load is P38M, 125gr. non+P showing a muzzle velocity of 830fps (no barrel length mentioned) and 191fpe.

Edited by - coltjeeper on December 27 2008 6:31:55 PM
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  6:39:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well, I've been wrong before and if I don't die in the next 3 seconds I'll be wrong before Sunday arrives.

If they sell it again, I'll certainly buy it again.Though DPX is my favorite and maybe bigger grips will not wake Arhtur and the Ritis family up when I shoot DPX out of my 642.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

coltjeeper
Starting Member

USA
43 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  9:09:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Evan,

I found it looking for their LEO ammo site. I forgot they had one and was looking for it after you mentioning it earlier. I checked both, its only on the regular Premium site. I also checked and the Nyclad is only available in .38 so far. I wouldn't think the 9mm would come back. Were any other calibers made in the Nyclad round?
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 27 2008 :  11:19:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.38, .357, 9MM

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

n/a
deleted

3224 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  07:47:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wasn't Nyclad originally introduced as a target load ?
I thought the nylon was used to keep lead particles from being released into the air
When did it becomea carry round ?
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  07:59:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
originally developed for NYPD because all their indoor ranges had been condemed for too much airborne lead. Coating was designed to prevent that. original load was 158gr rn. Somebody at Federal realized you could use a very soft lead core under the Nylon and hp's were offered in .38, .357 and 9MM.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

wolfram
Average Member

USA
303 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  11:28:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Federal has this load listed on their regular non-LEO site under 38 special (not 38 special +P). The load number is P38M. It looks like the old Chief Special is back:) I can't wait for Midway to start carrying it.

It's refreshing to see the ammo companies finally realize that there are tons of .38 snubbys that are sold every year, and that they need effective ammo too.

Carl

Edited by - wolfram on December 28 2008 11:31:22 AM
Go to Top of Page

Evan
Administrator

34875 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  12:34:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In actual shootings there was little difference between standard pressure and +p-of course, the "experts" will dismiss it cause it doesn't go deep enough in Gello.

Bah Humbug!

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

Go to Top of Page

Arvinator
Advanced Member

USA
5625 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  4:59:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I once had my Model 60 fire a round of standard nyclad into the water tank at the Arkansas Crime Lab and the bullet was picked up as a favor for me to see how well it expanded. It expanded well, and penetrated well for a standard pressure load according to the crime lab guy.
I hope they put it back on the market soon.

Be honest, fair, and always prepared...
Go to Top of Page

spwenger
Advanced Member

USA
1244 Posts

Posted - December 28 2008 :  7:45:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tested this round in a slaughterhouse, back in 1995. (As I recall, the loads I was carrying came out of a S&W box.) It mushroomed well in the brains of both a cow and a pig, after having punched through hide and skull. Unlike the FBI load, which would typically embed in the rear of the skull, each round caromed off the back of the skull, down the foramen magnum, and embedded itself in the spongy portion of the first cervical vertebra.

Stephen P. Wenger

Firearm safety - it's a matter for education, not legislation.
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Next Page
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
StoppingPower.net Forums © 2002-16 StoppingPower.net, Inc. Go To Top Of Page
Thispagewasgeneratedin0.21seconds. Snitz Forums 2000