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chp5
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 Posted - February 27 2008 : 12:56:15 PM
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I have a chance to buy a quantity of Speer GDHP 124+p at a good price. I would mainly shoot it out of a Glock 19.
On a search, I ran across this thread here that mentions reliability
issues that NYPD had with that round and their G19's.
http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12357
Is there any update on this topic? I'd hate to buy a bunch and have reliability issues. Thanks. |
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Evan
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 1:18:40 PM
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each gun is a law unto itself-so you need to try it in your gun-the fact that Glock hauled some trailers up to NYPD's range to modify the guns onsite would convince me it was a gun problem not an ammo problem.
remember only you can put a price tg on your life-I'm very expensive. |
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chp5
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 1:41:19 PM
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Good advice Evan!
I was wondering if Glock had a defective extractor or something like that - and installing an upgraded extractor/part fixed it. |
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Evan
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 1:45:36 PM
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| if I rememer correctly-and I may not-they did some machining of the chamber |
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chp5
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 2:41:57 PM
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Originally posted by Evan
if I rememer correctly-and I may not-they did some machining of the chamber
Thanks Evan - that doesn't seem like a quick fix 
I'm glad I checked . . . |
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jle3030
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 6:40:02 PM
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It's the carry load of choice in my G19. Nary a problem.
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SJC3081
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 8:23:17 PM
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| I have had many bullet nose stuck on the feed ramp problems with 3 19s and 1 26. With 124+pGD. The Gunzone.com Glock pages show the mods glock made to the NYPDs guns to make them run. I would post the links if I could. |
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Evan
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Posted - February 27 2008 : 8:43:42 PM
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SJC3081
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chp5
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 5:37:27 PM
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| Thanks SJC3081 |
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Chuck
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 10:10:16 PM
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| Those changes are why the newer Glocks look the way that they do. |
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chp5
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 11:15:15 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck
Those changes are why the newer Glocks look the way that they do.
Chuck - what do you mean? Have they changed to 3rd gen G19? |
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SJC3081
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 12:03:05 AM
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| What about the Glock owners who are carrying pistols that are not updated. Glock is hush hush and risking the lives of owners who carry these pistols as life saving tools. |
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chp5
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 12:35:05 AM
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I have a relatively new G19 - Serial KVP8xx - in which I've have two of of these "phase three" malfunctions. See SJC3081's links above for a description. They both occured the first time I shot it and haven't occured since (about 500 rounds later). Both occured with practice ammo (Wolf!).
These are nasty jams that require more than a tap-rack-bang fix. |
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Pitbull
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 01:01:45 AM
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| Glock Upgrades ? Does that mean they were fixing an initial design flaw that could not be pawned off as limp wrist shooting problem? |
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Rob96
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 04:24:53 AM
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| Out of three G19s, 1- 2nd generation and 2- 3rd generation, I have never experienced a single stoppage except for one when the extractor hook finally chipped off the older gun. |
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Chuck
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 2:08:25 PM
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chp,
If one has both a newer and an older Glock one can compare the angles of the extractor area and breechface and see definite changes. Those are noted in the links posted above. |
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chp5
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 3:50:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Chuck
chp,
If one has both a newer and an older Glock one can compare the angles of the extractor area and breechface and see definite changes. Those are noted in the links posted above.
OK - so the 90 degree extractor vs the 15 degree modification resulted from that issue? Wasn't NYPD already using 3rd gen G19s? Thanks.
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Doc Lee
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Posted - February 29 2008 : 6:17:06 PM
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| Chuck, I have 1996/1997 G22/G23 (Gen II), and they have the 15 degree extractor cut that's identical to my Gen III Glocks. Do you have any idea why the G19 Gen II pistols would be different? |
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Rob96
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Posted - March 01 2008 : 06:44:15 AM
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Rob96
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Posted - March 01 2008 : 06:44:59 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by chp5
I have a relatively new G19 - Serial KVP8xx - in which I've have two of of these "phase three" malfunctions. See SJC3081's links above for a description. They both occured the first time I shot it and haven't occured since (about 500 rounds later). Both occured with practice ammo (Wolf!).
These are nasty jams that require more than a tap-rack-bang fix.
I think I would attribute that to Wolf. |
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Evan
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Posted - March 01 2008 : 08:02:51 AM
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| try some different ammo and if problems persist-get it back to Glock-I consider the 19 the best of the Glocks though I bought a 26 for my wife for ccw but she prefers the Smith 640 with CT grips. |
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Allister73
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Posted - March 01 2008 : 10:22:35 PM
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| Just to add my experience. I have had four Glock 19's and never had a malfunction of any kind. Two were GenII and two were GenIII. I like the 2's the best, and so have kept one of the four. In thousands of rounds of many different manufacture, my GenII has never stumbled once. Even when loading 23 mags with 9mm to check functioning as an experiment. Just my personal experience of course. Colin |
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Evan
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Posted - March 02 2008 : 05:31:39 AM
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Unfortunately, our Ego's get us in more trouble than the Taliban. "Glock Perfection" may be a dandy marketing slogan but it tends to create a bunker mentality that often creates a block to fixing things.
There are people on this Board who have dealt with alot of heartburn over "Perfect" guns that would not run-cop guns-not casual use guns. I like some Glocks and own a 26. I bought it for my wife for CCW and, of course, she decided she preferred a Smith 640 loaded with .38 DPX.
I carry it sometimes with total confidence. I'm currently expermenting with a Smith M&P .45 to see how my 65 year old bones handle the weight.
I've owned several 19's and think its the best 9MM out there-my son's keep liberating them though. If I had known my wife was going to prefer a snub I would have bought a 19 not a 26. I've been carrying full size and multiple handguns on a daily basis for decades.
somewhere in Lou Allessi's production line are a couple of Glock holsters for me. when they show up I'll get another Glock 9MM and carry two along with assorted other guns. |
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jle3030
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Posted - March 02 2008 : 08:26:43 AM
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My 1993 vintage Gen1 G19 got finicky when the extractor chipped and went dead twice when the little loops at the end of the trigger springs broke. Polishing the eyelet where the spring attaches solved the breakage problem and the gun has run without a single malfunction for the past several years.
At this point in its life it is "as sure as death and more certain than taxes if you have a good CPA".
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chp5
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Posted - March 02 2008 : 1:44:16 PM
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Originally posted by Rob96
New production guns since the "fix" will have on the barrel hood the serial number a symbol and then a "1".
Good to know - thanks. Mine has that on it.
As you stated in another post, it could be linked to the Wolf ammo. I've shot about 500 rounds though it since the incident and no problems.
The ammo was a mix of more Wolf, my reloads and 124+p hydroshocks that I had sitting around.
So is the 1224+p GDHP's OK with the newer guns with the "fix"?
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Speer GDHP 124+p in a Glock 19
