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Posted - July 21 2007 :  8:57:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had the opportunity to put 200 rds through one of the new Walther PPS pistols. It was 100% reliable with WinClean 115g and DPX 115 +P. I was very impressed overall. The trigger was a bit gritty to reset point and a little heavier than I like on the intitial shot.

Accuracy was very acceptable for a mini-nine and well within CM box in a TQ target at 7-10 yards during rapid fire. My overall impression is of quality and excellent engineering.
OAL is the same as a G26. Height about 1/2 " higher than G26. It is much thinner though !

I expect that the PPS will find it's way into a lot of pockets and on a lot of hips in the future. It is a fine little firearm.

Jim

ought6
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USA
713 Posts

Posted - October 12 2007 :  1:05:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim,

Are you still carrying your PPS? I was just able to handle one yesterday - then I bought it.

Although I haven't shot it yet, the stellar reviews I've seen of it give me reason for very high hopes. What sold me is when it disappeared in my front pocket. Neat little gun.

Is yours the First Edition model? I guess it is since I've not heard of any others being sold. How is the finish holding up during regular carry?

Thanks for your information.

Brent

Psalms 18:34-35 He trains my hands for battle, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. (35) You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.

ought6
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Chuck
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USA
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Posted - October 21 2007 :  9:50:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was able to fire one with several standard, +p and +p+ rounds, very controllable, reliable with all of the ammo I fired.
I want one.
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Evan
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Posted - October 22 2007 :  06:38:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd wait a yr so I don't become an unpaid T&E employee for Walther

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Posted - October 22 2007 :  06:45:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A step up from a Kahr PM9. Better trigger and more natural to point aim than a G 26.
A superior trigger to either.

I the flat baseplate mag only 7 rds onboard more with the other mags with extended finger-grip plates.

I like the PPS. It has been fired approx 1500 times without any failure and using many different types of ammo, including standard pressure, +p and +P+.

I theink the PPS is currently the best single stack nime on the market. I prefer it to the Sig 239.
I expect that as the years go by the Walther PPS will become the standard for easily concealed 9mm's, just as the Walther PPK was in the post war period in 9mm kurtz.

I really like this one !
Jim
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Ben B.
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Posted - October 23 2007 :  12:39:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jhiller

A step up from a Kahr PM9. Better trigger and more natural to point aim than a G 26.
A superior trigger to either.


quote:
Originally posted by jhiller

...The trigger was a bit gritty to reset point and a little heavier than I like on the intitial shot....
I can understand a better trigger than Glock. All the Kahr triggers (well all 3) that I've tried have been very clean, smooth and light, and would be a dream if found in a S&W revolver. This new Walther trigger must be exceptional?

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas Jefferson
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Posted - October 23 2007 :  07:07:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ben B.
I think we see the Kahr triggers differently. I have 2 PM9's. Both have smooth but heavy stacking triggers with heavy trigger weight. Kahrs have no reset point just a full length pull.

In side by side comparison the Walther works better for me.
Jim
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Evan
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Posted - October 23 2007 :  07:38:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only held the Walther for a few minutes and dry fired it-feels great and looks like a genuine pocket pistol in a serious caliber-hope it holds up.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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psegnatelli
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USA
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Posted - October 23 2007 :  08:45:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm considering one, Whats the price on these?
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RLS
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USA
761 Posts

Posted - October 23 2007 :  11:23:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by psegnatelli

I'm considering one, Whats the price on these?



I saw one at a gun show this past Saturday. The tag had a price of $665. I expect it can be gotten for a few dollars less.

Rick
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Posted - October 23 2007 :  4:15:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wait a few months. They're scare now but soon they'll be plentiful and available. Probably bug free too
Jim
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Posted - December 12 2007 :  07:15:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mine died yesterday.
Slide locked back and won't release. Apparently this is a fairly common problem with the new PPS's.
I'll keep everyone advised about the fix and follow-up.
Jim
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Evan
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Posted - December 12 2007 :  07:28:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I knew there was a reason I'm so comfortable with my Glock 26.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

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Posted - December 12 2007 :  09:21:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many times have you said " wait a year at least "
Right again !!!!!!!
Jimmy
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Evan
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Posted - December 12 2007 :  10:18:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like the concept alot-if I find another job I'll eventually buy one

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Vafish
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Posted - December 12 2007 :  10:21:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim,

I read a report of another PPS having a similar problem.

The other shooter said the spring came off the slide stop and was stuck underneath. He could pry the slide stop down with a small screwdriver and release the slide.

"If your plan is for one year, plant rice.
If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years,
educate children." -- Confucius
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Posted - December 13 2007 :  08:29:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vafish,
That's the problem. I just don't want to pry it myself. Seems this has happened to many of them.
Jim
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ought6
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USA
713 Posts

Posted - December 19 2007 :  2:32:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim,

Correction on what I told you earlier. We are issued WW Ranger SXT 147 gr. It does not say "subsonic" on the box anywhere. It used to a long while back. Basically, I have been just loading up my mags and not even looking at the box closely because we're required to carry that particular ammo.

Anyway, the pps functioned great on the qualification course. I'll be anxiously awaiting the solution S&W comes up with. Thanks for keeping us posted.

Brent

Psalms 18:34-35 He trains my hands for battle, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. (35) You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.

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CO
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USA
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Posted - December 19 2007 :  3:17:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like an interesting BUG.

Edited by - CO on December 19 2007 3:18:01 PM
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Mr.T
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Posted - December 21 2007 :  6:38:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
See my review in the current issue of Gun World. PPS slide lock spring slipped off the slide lock and the lock was pushed upward, tying up the slide. The gun was sent back to S&W with a letter describing the problem.
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ought6
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USA
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Posted - December 22 2007 :  11:10:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mr. T,

Do you see this re-occurring problem as a future recall from Smith/Walther?

Psalms 18:34-35 He trains my hands for battle, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. (35) You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.

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Evan
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Posted - December 22 2007 :  11:31:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not Mr. T, though we've actually been seen in public together.

The problem is that ALL of the gun companies seem content to let the pruchaser be an unpaid t&e specialist-wait a year and then buy IF the darn things are not a pig of the worst kind.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Mr.T
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Posted - December 22 2007 :  2:43:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, Evan and I have been seen together by reliable witnesses!

I don't know if S&W is going to recall the PPS, but I think that I would not rush to get one until I was sure that this problem is taken care of, as it does not now seem to be limited to the gun I tested. To be fair, I did like the gun otherwise, and this should be a problem that's easy to fix.
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ought6
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USA
713 Posts

Posted - December 22 2007 :  6:53:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Too late, I bought mine a couple of months ago. I just qualified with it for "second weapon" for carrying on and off duty, (not my primary weapon). When I qualified with it, it shot great.

I've been reading a lot about the spring in question. I keep an eye on mine. From what I can gather, it is mostly happening after a 1000 rnds or so. Anyway, I've always been satisfied with S&W customer service. I'm sure that if it occurs, they'll fix it. I just hope I'm not in a serious conflict if it does happen. That's why I would not trust it alone by any means.

Psalms 18:34-35 He trains my hands for battle, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze. (35) You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.

ought6
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Malcolm
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USA
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Posted - January 14 2008 :  2:03:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was in a local gunshop in SLC, Utah on last Saturday morning.(Jan 12th-2008) Another customer came in with his Walther PPS that had a"stuck slide" as he called it. He wanted the shop to send it back to Walther, and he wanted a refund. According to what I over heard, (and it was a LOUD one-sided diatribe against the little PPS), the customer was 44 rounds into his first shooting session with the PPS and the slide "jammed back" and would not close. He brought in a partially empty box of WW 115 FMJs, so the store could see what rounds he was using. The customer was livid and was enventually calmed down. The store owner gave him a refund on the spot.(stand up shop too) Store owner said "several police officers" had purchased the little PPS and had brought their guns back in for the same thing.
Gee, what the heck happened to quality control? Glad I didn't buy one, they sure are cute though. Just thought I would pass this along. I can give the name of that particular store if any one in the local area is interested, they've sure been stand up with me.

"The measure of a man's character, is how he treats someone who can do nothing for him." (unknown)
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Evan
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Posted - January 14 2008 :  2:53:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know, Malcolm, but its an epidemic-frankly, the fact that they "eventually" "fix" it is of little comfort. It seems like the more you pay for the gun the less reliable it is.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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