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TONY
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USA
3418 Posts

Posted - September 12 2006 :  1:13:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure if this is the right place for this but here goes.

I just read that there was a home invasion north of me in a fairly high dollar neighborhood of Scottsdale. What makes this one stand out is where and how many BG's. Article said 4 to 6 individuals

My question to the LE folks here is:
How common is it for a home invasion in an area of town that almost never sees this activity to be done by this many BG's??

Stay Safe,

TONY

Evan
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  1:30:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
follow the money-yrs ago we waited in the house for a home invasion team-it turned out extremely loud and very messy.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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dennis strapon
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  4:48:16 PM  Show Profile  Send dennis strapon an AOL message  Send dennis strapon a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Evan. not LEO but,always interested in this topic. Invasions have have to be stopped ASAP. If Not, do not expect help in time!

dennis R. strapon
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TONY
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  5:23:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My biggest question here is the number of folks involved. Usually there is two or three individuals. I thought it was a bit odd for so many of them.

I guess my couriosity is leaning me toward whether or not everyone knew each other.

Stay Safe,

TONY
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Evan
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  5:40:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
watch out for Asian home invasion teams-they are particularly brutual and violent. The crew we disrupted had AK-47s, body armor, and alot of mags-unfortunately, we had a choke point for them and their tactics were human wave type

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

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Posted - September 12 2006 :  5:58:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many of the home invasions do the BGs pretend to be LEOs ?? or is it usually just smash in ?
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Evan
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  6:00:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I retired in 89-back then they use to pretend to be cops to get into drug houses

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  6:49:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not an LEO, but my daughter keeps me updated on the local crime and LEO scene.

In our fair city, it's a rare "home invasion" that isn't, in fact, a drug ripoff - homeowners' statements notwithstanding.

Jeff

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TONY
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  7:51:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jeff,
In this case I don't 100% buy the initial story. Anything's possibly But I believe this was a gated community.

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TONY
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esq_stu
Senior Member

USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  8:18:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FWIW, I've developed a habit of reading about crimes in my community in a thin weekly newspaper that covers everything from violent crime to petty theft. There's plenty of $$ in my community, (though perhaps not in my neighborhood), and I am particularly interested in news of home invasions to get a feel for how dangerous it is here (and to try and convince my wife that I'm not paranoid when I insist on being armed at home).

Anyway, my broad brush observation is that where I live, the home invasions that involve significant violence, multiple, heavily armed perpetrators, or major losses seem to be carried out by people that know exactly who they are robbing, exactly what they are looking for, or both. And the victims seem likely to have had prior dealings with the bad guys.

I'm sure there are many exceptions and I would like to think my home will be bypassed by this kind of BG. But I'm at home home as I write this, and wearing a pistol and not far from a 12 gage.

Kol Tuv (All the best!)

-- esq_stu

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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  8:26:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
High dollar homes in gated communities are probably worth hitting in any case.

Around here, most of the hits have been in average to low rent neighborhoods, which makes one wonder what the attraction was, if not drugs. Or are these lowlife thugs just too lazy to travel??

Jeff

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perrodelucha
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USA
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  8:49:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
probably both - drugs and lazy
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enidpd804
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Posted - September 12 2006 :  9:27:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
JLE, it's the same way here. ALMOST all home invasion robberies are drug related in my neck of the woods. Still, it happens occasionally to regular folks. Keep your powder dry.
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Terry
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USA
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Posted - September 13 2006 :  12:38:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

Around here, most of the hits have been in average to low rent neighborhoods, which makes one wonder what the attraction was, if not drugs. Or are these lowlife thugs just too lazy to travel??

Jeff



Sometimes, it's just the belief that the old lady a block over has money under the mattress and hidden jewelry.

"Simplicity is the last step of art, and the beginning of nature" Bruce Lee
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jle3030
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USA
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Posted - September 13 2006 :  06:19:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't get me wrong.. I'm citing the majority of the local cases; not turning a blind eye to the possibilities.

Just last Saturday, my elderly mother-in-law, who now lives with us, tried to open the door to a "salesman" (??????).

Fortunately (??) she can no longer figure out how to unlock the door.

Having grandkids around the house at any time and a mother-in-law with progressive cognitive dysfunction has cured me of stashing house guns in handy locations. They are now on my person and under my control at all times, or safely secured.

Last Saturday was a reminder of just how fast an unexpected situation can develop.

Jeff

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gauchobill
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Posted - September 13 2006 :  08:25:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gated communities are not immune---it's a simple matter for thieves/home invaders to jump the fence, hit a home for money/jewelry/guns and then go back over the fence to a waiting car. In our area we have seen these crimes, including one revenge murder of a philandering husband and his innocent wife in an upscale gated community.
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TONY
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USA
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Posted - September 13 2006 :  1:26:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobill

Gated communities are not immune---it's a simple matter for thieves/home invaders to jump the fence, hit a home for money/jewelry/guns and then go back over the fence to a waiting car. In our area we have seen these crimes, including one revenge murder of a philandering husband and his innocent wife in an upscale gated community.



In this case it was 4 to 6 individuals in a vehicle. I think it is more than coincidence. These homes go between $1.5 and $10 million. They would have had to caoght the gate open AND the only home in the community with the alarm off on not there.

I still smell more to this story.

It just seems like a lot of folks commiting a home invasion when I've not heard of more than 2 or 3 people.

Stay Safe,

TONY
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colt
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Posted - August 06 2007 :  9:34:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They usually scout the target for a few days or even weeks , depending on how much they believe the "investment" is worth
They will normally test perimeter defences ranging from basic (measuring the scale of walls,if any gaurd dogs,to barriers on windows) to slightly more advanced (tripping electric fences , testing rails of automated gates , and the salesman trick to see what type of "attitude" greets them)
They are extremely fast once they get thier "chance"
Watch out for tell tale markers around your area ie a soda can pitched on a letterbox etc , sometimes seems silly but its a marker none the less
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JRH
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USA
87 Posts

Posted - August 06 2007 :  10:13:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Watch out for tell tale markers around your area ie a soda can pitched on a letterbox


Does that signify a booby trap or the presence of 9 year olds?
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Slick
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USA
3386 Posts

Posted - August 06 2007 :  10:48:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

I still smell more to this story.



There is [i]ALWAYS
more to the story...

Sic Semper Tyrannis
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colt
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Posted - August 06 2007 :  11:18:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
with regards to markers etc ie be aware of your common environment
i dont smell any else , other than plain criminality , any business man is always at risk , and im not talking bout illicit ones.....
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Malcolm
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USA
4076 Posts

Posted - August 07 2007 :  4:42:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After spending more than 30 years in Southern California prior to moving out of state, I've learned that in my professional experience, "home invasion" robberies, were almost always drug ripoffs, with the homes being hit, being drug "safe houses" or money drops.
Absolutely agree with Evan on the Asian gangs, they DO tend to victimize other Asian folks, but they are brutal, and will not hesitate to commit atrocious violence at the drop of a hat.
On a personal note, I've always viewed "gate guarded communities" as more of a CORRAL than anything else.
The codes are too easily compromised, and ANY time I've needed to get through a manned gate house (without letting the intended person know) I've never had to pay more than a Ten Dollar bill to the "guard" to let me through. Worked like a charm every time. Especially for the no-notice interviews of potential suspects. While that action completely voided any "security" I think it illustrates the inherent problem with "gate-Guarded" anything, it is rarely if ever secure, it's more of an illusion than anything else.

"The measure of a man's character, is how he treats someone who can do nothing for him." (unknown)
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Craig
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USA
1103 Posts

Posted - August 07 2007 :  8:02:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not real sure where the line between "follow homes" and "home invasions" is drawn but a few follow homes near here (SoCal) were opportunistic, they followed home people who were out late. The other element that seems to stand out anecdotally were the potential for large amounts of jewelry and/or cash. A number of jewelers and/or casino gamblers were hit. It seems to me they were Asian gangs, Asian victims, perhaps because there were social/cultural connections or familarity with habits and business practices pointed out "good" targets. The reported losses always seemed disproportionately high as to the amount of cash or jewelry "at home." Non-professionally, it seemed that there might be more to the stories but I don't recall any that were followed up by later reporting of further illicit connections. "We" sure suspected them though.
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El Cid
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USA
65 Posts

Posted - September 10 2007 :  10:24:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tony, there is a reason I keep a firearm on or near my person all the time - even in my home. I also have two large dogs who will slow any interlopers should I be in the shower or otherwise indisposed.

Bottom line is you cannot predict where/when they will hit, nor how many will be in the group. There is an over-told tale of a BBQ with a bunch of FBI employees. Some home-invaders crashed the party and robbed everyone. Seems the agents had either left their guns at home, in their vehicles, or stashed them in another room the way you would a coat room. I don't know whether or not this is true, but nobody is immune to being a victim.

Best thing you can do is layer your home defenses. Trim bushes away from windows, don't have "nice" things that attract attention in plain view, install motion sensor lighting, have an alarm on the house, get a dog or two, reinforced doors, etc. In fact, here in FL they sell these fancy new doors that are designed to resist hurricanes. Looking at them at Home Depot I couldn't help but think of two things... one they would be great for security as they have multiple bolts the way a safe would. The other thought as a LEO was... I wonder if a Halligan or ram would still get the job done against one of these if I had to serve a warrant at a home with one?

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Nobby42d
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USA
604 Posts

Posted - September 11 2007 :  07:17:53 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Nobby42d's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I know there are distinctions between home invasions and coming home and interuppting a burglar, but that's what happened this evening in Reno, and was frightening, none the less.

Unarmed fellow walked into his house. Intruder ordered him, at gun point, to get on the floor and crawl to the bathroom. He complied.

Intruder finished robbing house and then went to the bathroom, put a gun to the home owners' head and, at that point, homeowner decides he might want to fight back. Homeowner was shot two times during scuffle, but got the gun from the bad guy and shot him to death.

Unlike the intruders', the home owners' wounds were not life threatening.

Interviewed neighbors' all agreed that things like that "never happened" in their neighborhood (nice, but not rich).

Might be wiser to have your own gun during such incidents.


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