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CharlieX
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Posted - July 20 2006 :  2:02:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Went to the range today and did some chronograph work with several types of 9mm 115/124/147 gr. ammunition.

I will add/update results after completing the statistical work on each sample after it has been compiled.

Test Date: 20July2006

Hornady 147 gr. TAP-FPD XTP JHP (90288)
HI: 1068 fps
LO: 995 fps
AV: 1023 fps
ES: 73 fps
SD: 18.49 fps
n: 18 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 975 fps. Very consistent/accurate.

Hornady 147 gr. "CQ" XTP JHP (90285)
HI: 1043 fps
LO: 1003 fps
AV: 1024 fps
ES: 40 fps
SD: 10.17 fps
n: 24 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 975 fps. Very accurate. My current carry load in all my 9mm CCW sidearms.

Winchester 147 gr. Silvertip JHP (X9MMST147)
HI: 1022 fps
LO: 934 fps
AV: 975 fps
ES: 88 fps
SD: 20.52 fps
n: 40 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1010 fps.

Winchester Ranger 147 gr. SXT JHP(RA9SXT)(Restricted/Government Issue)
HI: 1021 fps
LO: 950 fps
AV: 986 fps
ES: 71 fps
SD: 14.46 fps
n: 47 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 990 fps.

Federal 147 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP(P9HS2G)(Restricted/Government Issue)
HI: 1229 fps
LO: 1023 fps
AV: 1112 fps
ES: 206 fps
SD: 73.88 fps
n: 13 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1000 fps. Despite very high recoil impulse and high ES/SD values, this is still a very accurate load in the test gun, turning in sub-1" groups at 10m.

Federal 147 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP(P9HS2)
HI: 1021 fps
LO: 965 fps
AV: 993 fps
ES: 56 fps
SD: 12.24 fps
n: 70 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1000 fps.

Winchester 115 gr. Silvertip JHP (X9MMSHP)
HI: 1299 fps
LO: 1167 fps
AV: 1211 fps
ES: 132 fps
SD: 28.06 fps
n: 34 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1225 fps. Very accurate.

Winchester USA 115 gr. FMJ (Q4172)
HI: 1235 fps
LO: 1116 fps
AV: 1180 fps
ES: 119 fps
SD: 22.01 fps
n: 48 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1190 fps. Very accurate.

Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ (00902)
HI: 1195 fps
LO: 1076 fps
AV: 1145 fps
ES: 119 fps
SD: 30.00 fps
n: 45 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1280 fps.

NATO M882 124 FMJ (Restricted/Government Issue)
HI: 1150 fps
LO: 1068 fps
AV: 1113 fps
ES: 82 fps
SD: 20.09 fps
n: 44 rnds
Comments: Produced lower velocity than I had anticipated with rather sedate performance and anemic recoil.

Test Platform: Glock 17 (ser.#: XXX564US) Barrel: 4.49"/114mm
Temp: 81 F Humidity: 62 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)


Federal 147 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP(P9HS2)
HI: 953 fps
LO: 932 fps
AV: 943 fps
ES: 21 fps
SD: 6.94 fps
n: 19 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 975 fps. Very consistent load, very accurate.

Test Platform: SigSauer P226 (ser. #U401XXX) Barrel: 4.40"/112mm
Temp: 81 F Humidity: 62 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)


Test Date: 18August2006

Winchester Ranger 147 gr. JHP (RA9T)(Restricted/Government Issue)
HI: 1142 fps
LO: 1016 fps
AV: 1055 fps
ES: 126 fps
SD: 38.31 fps
n: 15 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 990 fps.

Test Platform: Glock 17 (ser.#XXX564US) Barrel: 4.49"/114mm
Temperature: 75 F Humidity: 68 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)



Test Date: 19April2007

Remington UMC 115 gr. JHP (L9MM1B)
HI: 1181 fps
LO: 1132 fps
AV: 1161 fps
ES: 49 fps
SD: 13.50 fps
n: 30 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1135 fps.

Magtech Guardian Gold 115 gr. JHP +P (GG9A)
HI: 1261 fps
LO: 1201 fps
AV: 1228 fps
ES: 60 fps
SD: 16.95 fps
n: 22 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1246 fps.

Sellier & Bellot 124 gr. FMJ (00905)
HI: 1104 fps
LO: 1042 fps
AV: 1066 fps
ES: 62 fps
SD: 16.49 fps
n: 46 rnds
Comments: Advertised velocity is 1181 fps.

Test Platform: Glock 17 (ser.#XXX564US) Barrel: 4.49"/114mm
Temperature: 61 F Humidity: 55 % Elevation: 575 ft. ASL
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)



08August2008

Since today was absolutely beautiful, I took the opportunity to run some ammunition of varying weights through my new Glock 17 (Gen. III) across my chronograph.

Test Date: 08August2008

Federal 115 gr. FMJ (AE9DP)
Hi: 1193 fps
Lo: 1147 fps
Av: 1171.84 fps
Md: 1170 fps
ES: 46 fps
SD: 12.844 fps
n: 25 rnds

Fiocchi 115 gr. FMJ (9AP)
Hi: 1353 fps
Lo: 1259 fps
Av: 1297.60 fps
Md: 1306 fps
ES: 94 fps
SD: 24.004 fps
n: 25 rnds

Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ (00902)
Hi: 1241 fps
Lo: 1135 fps
Av: 1200.20 fps
Md: 1188 fps
ES: 106 fps
SD: 22.051 fps
n: 25 rnds

Sellier & Bellot 124 gr. FMJ (00905)
Hi: 1163 fps
Lo: 1076 fps
Av: 1128.44 fps
Md: 1119.50 fps
ES: 87 fps
SD: 24.045 fps
n: 25 rnds

Winchester USA 147 gr. JHP (USA9JHP2)
Hi: 1073 fps
Lo: 996.4 fps
Av: 1026.14 fps
Md: 1034.70 fps
ES: 76.60 fps
SD: 18.974 fps
n: 25 rnds

Hornady Custom 147 gr. XTP JHP (90282)
Hi: 1033 fps
Lo: 1002 fps
Av: 1016.24 fps
Md: 1017.50 fps
ES: 31 fps
SD: 9.015 fps
n: 25 rnds

Federal 147 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP (P9HS2G)
Hi: 1026 fps
Lo: 990.70 fps
Av: 1011.77 fps
Md: 1008.35 fps
ES: 35.30 fps
SD: 9.462 fps
n: 30 rnds

Test Platform: Glock 17 (ser.#:XXX973) Barrel: 4.49"/114mm
Temp: 76 F Humidity: 51 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)

19August2008

Nice cool day, good cloud cover with no rain, light breeze just made for putting a few over the screens. Took out the Glock 17L and ran the same loads that I ran through the Glock 17 last time (on 08/08/2008) for the sake of comparison.

The test data yielded some surprises as to how increasing the barrel length from 4.49" to 6.02" would effect the velocity of this ammunition. Most surprising were the minimal gains of 20-40 fps. regardless of bullet weight despite the 1.53" longer barrel. All ammunition was from the same exact box and lot and the ambient temperature and humidity were much the same as when these loads were run through the Glock 17. Eh, go figure.

Test Date: 19August2008

Federal American Eagle 9mm 115 gr. FMJ (AE9DP)
Hi: 1228 fps
Lo: 1179 fps
Av: 1210.04 fps
Md: 1203.50 fps
ES: 49 fps
SD: 11.385 fps
n: 25 rnds

Fiocchi USA 9mm 115 gr. FMJ (9AP)
Hi: 1372 fps
Lo: 1326 fps
Av: 1350.44 fps
Md: 1349 fps
ES: 46 fps
SD: 11.758 fps
n: 25 rnds

Sellier & Bellot 9mm 115 gr. FMJ (00902)
Hi: 1255 fps
Lo: 1181 fps
Av: 1219.73 fps
Md: 1218 fps
ES: 74 fps
SD: 24.203 fps
n: 15 rnds

Sellier & Bellot 9mm 124 gr. FMJ (00905)
Hi: 1203 fps
Lo: 1099 fps
Av: 1157.28 fps
Md: 1151 fps
ES: 104 fps
SD: 28.414 fps
n: 25 rnds

Winchester Ranger 9mm 147 gr. JHP (RA9T)
Hi: 1085 fps
Lo: 1009 fps
Av: 1038.87 fps
Md: 1047 fps
ES: 76 fps
SD: 24.538 fps
n: 15 rnds

Hornady Custom XTP 9mm 147 gr. JHP (90282)
Hi: 1097 fps
Lo: 1035 fps
Av: 1047.28 fps
Md: 1066 fps
ES: 62 fps
SD: 12.918 fps
n: 25 rnds

Winchester USA 9mm 147 gr. JHP (USA9JHP2)
Hi: 1078 fps
Lo: 1029 fps
Av: 1045.54 fps
Md: 1053.50 fps
ES: 49 fps
SD: 12.205 fps
n: 24 rnds

Test Platform: Glock 17L Serial Number: XXX539 Barrel: 6.02/153mm
Temp: 71 F Humidty: 75 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)



Regards,



Edited by - CharlieX on October 24 2010 10:55:56 PM

Terry
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Posted - July 20 2006 :  4:51:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Charlie and welcome to the here.

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CharlieX
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Thanks for the welcome, Terry. Glad to be here.


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Posted - July 24 2006 :  4:53:42 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, and thanks too for presenting the data in Evan's format.



Again thanks for the information and the format

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Edited by - GLV on January 20 2010 6:36:59 PM
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CharlieX
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Posted - July 24 2006 :  5:21:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Happy to do so. I'll be doing some more chronographing soon with more 9mm ammo and will update this thread when I am finished. Hope the info is of value to everyone.


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Excellent work CharlieX, thank you
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thanks-I proably won't have time for chroning until next Spring

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CharlieX
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Posted - August 13 2006 :  11:55:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You're welcome guys.

I will probably do another large product sample chronograph session before too long. Thinking around the timeframe of late-ish September. Results will be posted here.

Best Regards,
CX


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Posted - August 16 2006 :  3:34:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Charlie X just stopped by the shop and bought all the Ranger 147gr 9MM we had-good to meet him.

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And not only because he bought up some ammo, it was a pleasure Charlie X, stop by and shoot the breeze or targets anytime!
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the worst part about closing the shop and range was friends we had met.

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Posted - August 20 2008 :  3:25:19 PM  Show Profile  Send GLV an ICQ Message  Send GLV a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Charlie. Your data looks similar to the testing I did about 20 years ago using a 17, 19, and 17L.

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Posted - August 21 2008 :  12:20:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GLV,

I was really rather surprised at the outcome of this chronography session.

Just "goofing around" became "an experiment" which then became a "challenge" to those assumptions that I had always held as "fact" which then evolved into me "questioning" that which I have always chosen to carry based upon that which I have recently discovered.

While I had expected that the 147 gr. subsonics would see very little velocity increase, I was laboring under the assumption of obtaining much improved velocity from the lighter (supersonic) loads in the Glock 17L with its 6.02" barrel, especially the 115 gr. stuff.

Reflecting upon the origins of this assumption, I believe that it was imparted to me from two sources, the first being a gunsmith of my personal acquaintance during my mis-spent youth and the second being my Dad, of all people. Both sources always offered the suggestion that one could realistically expect a 40-50 fps increase in muzzle velocity from the commonly available handgun calibers (.38 Special, 9mm, .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, what have you) per additonal inch of barrel length and it seemed like solid common sense to me.

So, quite frankly, I had anticipated seeing somewhere between 100-150 fps depending on how "hot" the particular round was loaded and was expecting to see such an increase from the Fiocchi 115 gr.FMJ (9AP) because it offered quite a bit of muzzle blast and flash as well as a markedly stronger recoil impulse than any load tested, all indicators of a "hot" load to be sure. That it only increased by 52.8 fps with the extra 1.5" of tube surprised the heck outta me and you can be quite sure that I am all done assuming such things.

Based upon the marginal increases (20-40 fps, give or take a bit) displayed across the range of bullet weights/velocities, I can only conclude that the powders loaded within these rounds and the quantities thereof, are balanced for an "optimal runway length" of 4" to 5" (or 100mm-125mm) and that any increase in barrel length over that range will yield nominal increases at best as the expansion volume diminishes (linearly). Past that point, internal bore friction must begin to equal and then eventually exceed any gainful effects produced by the rapidly decreasing expansion volume as barrel length increases.

In short, based upon these results, I have now begun to reconsider my year-'round employment and outright preference for the full sized "service" weapons (in my case, the Glock 17) in favor of the mid-size pistols (again, in my case, the Glock 19) as being the most "size efficient" while still producing "optimal" muzzle velocities and energies without the weight and concealment burdens that accompany the larger "service" platforms while offering nothing in return for assuming those not inconsequential burdens.

Gonna have to run some more tests to confirm these assumptions of course, but it seems that there is a "change" in the not-too-distant future for me and it looks quite a bit like a Glock 19.

Oh, the heresy!


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My results seemed to be ammo dependent. Federal 115+P+ was somewhat faster from the 17L than the 17 [69fps]. Federal NATO 124 gr was 76fps faster in the 17L than my 19.

Remember too, that all of my data was obtained 20 years ago. Clock was an Oehler 33.

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Posted - August 21 2009 :  9:20:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
21August2009

As you might have noticed, I tend to run chronograph sessions in August. It seems as if the weather always cooperates, with "ideal conditions" at some point during the month in addition to favoring me with a light breeze.


Test Date: 21August2009

Speer Lawman 9mm 115 gr. TMJ (53615)
Hi: 1327 fps
Lo: 1219 fps
Av: 1265.56 fps
Md: 1273 fps
ES: 108 fps
SD: 25.235 fps
n: 18 rnds

Federal American Eagle 9mm 115 gr. FMJ (AE9DP)
Hi: 1191 fps
Lo: 1139 fps
Av: 1166.30 fps
Md: 1165 fps
ES: 52 fps
SD: 11.637 fps
n: 20 rnds

Federal American Eagle 9mm 124 gr. FMJ (AE9AP)
Hi: 1144 fps
Lo: 1100 fps
Av: 1117.92 fps
Md: 1122 fps
ES: 44 fps
SD: 10.847 fps
n: 24 rnds

CCI Blazer Brass 9mm 124 gr. TMJ (5201)
Hi: 1132 fps
Lo: 1097 fps
Av: 1119.44 fps
Md: 1114.50 fps
ES: 35 fps
SD: 8.825 fps
n: 16 rnds

Winchester PDX1 9mm 147 gr. JHP (S9MMPDB1)
Hi: 1013 fps
Lo: 970.10 fps
Av: 990.08 fps
Md: 991.55 fps
ES: 42.90 fps
SD: 9.364 fps
n: 20 rnds

Winchester Ranger 9mm 147 gr. JHP (RA9T)(Restricted/Government Issue)
Hi: 981.20 fps
Lo: 872.20 fps
Av: 914.19 fps
Md: 926.70 fps
ES: 109 fps
SD: 31.414 fps
n: 25 rnds

Winchester USA 9mm 147 gr. JHP (USA9JHP2)
Hi: 1007 fps
Lo: 958.80 fps
Av: 981.94 fps
Md: 982.90 fps
ES: 48.20 fps
SD: 9.612 fps
n: 25 rnds

Hornady Custom XTP 9mm 147 gr. JHP (90282)
Hi: 1009 fps
Lo: 913.70 fps
Av: 982.85 fps
Md: 961.35 fps
ES: 95.30 fps
SD: 17.473 fps
n: 25 rnds

Federal Hydra-Shok 9mm 147 gr. JHP (P9HS2G1)(Restricted/Government Issue)
Hi: 1072 fps
Lo: 981.70 fps
Av: 1022.44 fps
Md: 1026.85 fps
ES: 90.30 fps
SD: 24.596 fps
n: 20 rnds

Test Platform: Glock 17 Serial Number: XXX491US Barrel: 4.49/114mm
Temp: 75 F Relative Humidity: 50% Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)


Regards,


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Thanks Charlie, for you time, effort, and the test information.
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Decided to drag my poor brother-in-law into the cold and introduce him to the "benefits" of "winter shootin'" (the always vacant outdoor range) since my corrupt influence is the cause of his acquiring the Glock 19 that we used to collect the following data. His chosen SD load (the Remington 147 gr. "Golden Sabre") and mine (the Hornady 147 gr. XTP) seemed to be largely unaffected by the cold and the shorter Glock 19 barrel although our fingers got numb pretty quickly. Beer and wings for lunch took care of that.


Test Date: 20January2010

Magtech 124 gr. FMC (9B)
Hi: 1122 fps
Lo: 1061 fps
Av: 1098.89 fps
Md: 1091.50 fps
ES: 61.00 fps
SD: 17.822 fps
n: 10 rnds

Hornady "Custom" XTP 9mm 147 gr. JHP (90282)
Hi: 1006 fps
Lo: 975.40 fps
Av: 988.39 fps
Md: 990.70 fps
ES: 30.60 fps
SD: 10.014 fps
n: 12 rnds

Remington 147 gr. "Golden Sabre" JHP
Hi: 981.60 fps
Lo: 928.00 fps
Av: 963.125 fps
Md: 954.80 fps
ES: 53.60 fps
SD: 15.480 fps
n: 12 rnds

Test Platform: Glock 19 Serial Number: XXX237 Barrel: 4.02/102mm
Temp: 30 F Humidty: 64 % Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~6.00 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)


Regards,


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Thanks for the continued logging of this info.
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quote:
Originally posted by Chuck

Thanks for the continued logging of this info.



You are welcome.


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Ran some .45ACP ammunition across the screens this summer. Finally got around to completeing the statistical work on it.

Test Date: 22July2010

Winchester USA .45ACP 230 gr. JHP (USA45JHP)
Hi: 891.20
Lo: 845.10
Av: 867.25
Md: 868.15
ES: 46.10
SD: 14.15
n: 12

Test Platform: HK USP45 Serial Number: AG 25-XXXXXX Barrel: 4.41/112mm
Temp: 80 F Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~21 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)


Test Date: 10August2010

Sellier & Bellot .45ACP 230 gr. FMJ (04501)
Hi: 847.30
Lo: 810.90
Av: 831.76
Md: 829.10
ES: 36.40
SD: 11.25
n: 12

Test Platform: HK USP45 Serial Number: AG 25-XXXXXX Barrel: 4.41/112mm
Temp: 75 F Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~21 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)





Edited by - CharlieX on October 24 2010 11:01:26 PM
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Posted - October 25 2010 :  1:28:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the info and your time and effort CharlieX
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I have been meaning to add this load to my test roster for more than a year and today was just too nice a day to continue to procrastinate.



Test Date: 13June2011

Hornady "Custom" .45ACP 230 gr. XTP +P JHP (9096)
Hi: 937.10
Lo: 874.40
Av: 916.78
Md: 905.75
ES: 62.70
SD: 16.34
n: 14

Test Platform: HK USP45 Serial Number: AG 25-XXXXXX Barrel: 4.41/112mm
Temp: 70 F Elevation: 650 ft. ASL.
Instrumental Distance: ~21 ft. (Shooting Chrony F-1)



Edited by - CharlieX on June 13 2011 11:48:36 PM
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Thanks for report CharlieX. I've been procrastinating on getting back out to the range for some chrono time and trigger time. Been cutting up firewood for next winter, getting garden started, and landscaping.

Range time is a lot more fun.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pitbull

Range time is a lot more fun.



I agree.


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