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Adj1
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 Posted - October 27 2009 : 11:04:08 AM
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I know this will seem like a dumb question, but is there any practical difference between 115gr. 9mm loads, and the 124-127gr. offerings?
If so, what?
Orrr...is it possible to pick one from any major manufacturer that will operate reliably in your gun, be it standard pressure +P, or these days, whatever you are able to find on the shelves, and have confidence in it ?
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Edited by - Adj1 on October 27 2009 11:05:19 AM |
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mojo
Advanced Member
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Posted - October 27 2009 : 12:07:46 PM
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I'll field this one - - - Practical difference between 115 and the 124-127 I doubt the BG would be able to tell what he was shot with I like +P 124 myself.
All the major manufacturers make reliable ammo most guns made nowadays will run with most ammo made nowadays. YMMV |
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9 Micky Mouse
Starting Member
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Posted - October 27 2009 : 8:53:17 PM
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In my G19 right now is the Fed 115gr +P+ If I could get a hold of the 9mm Geco BAT I would carry it.
On hand I have two boxes each
Winchester 115gr +P+
Speer Gold Dot 115gr +P+
Federal 115gr +P+
Corbon 115gr +P which acts like a +P+ at 1350fps |
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Barnacle Bill
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Posted - October 27 2009 : 9:06:47 PM
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Originally posted by 9 Micky Mouse
On hand I have two boxes each
Winchester 115gr +P+
Speer Gold Dot 115gr +P+
Federal 115gr +P+
Corbon 115gr +P which acts like a +P+ at 1350fps
Corbon only lists the DPX at 1250fps.
How do you like that GS +P+? I had a hard time recently tracking down my usual 9BPLE but ran into somebody offering a good price on the GD & was tempted. Both list at 1300fps and really come from the same company, so I'm assuming the GD is pretty much 9BPLE with a more modern bullet. |
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mspears
Senior Member
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Posted - October 28 2009 : 07:53:45 AM
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| The GD 115 +P+ shoots great out of my P228. Ammunitiontogo has had it stock for quite some time now @ $24.95/50. That's about all I could find when I bought the P228 several months ago. I haven't looked around lately but I'm happy with the GD for now. |
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Barnacle Bill
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Posted - November 19 2009 : 11:35:33 PM
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Personally, I like 9BPLE for modern guns & C9BP for old school. I don't shoot the former for routine practice, just 100 rounds to confirm reliability & then annually or so shoot up the old supply once the new is in hand. For practice I like S&B brass case 115gr FMJ, which is affordable by the case & never did me wrong.
Lately I've found it pretty hard to track down anybody with either Federal load in stock. I've found some, but ranging far afield of the usual suspects. Lots of options in the +P & +P+ world, but what else do folks like in standard pressure? |
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WR Moore
Junior Member
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Posted - November 20 2009 : 01:29:25 AM
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General comment: I'd avoid the products of botique ammo makers for serious purposes. While some may produce a quality product, abide by SAAMI limitations(and have the lab tests to prove it) and carry insurance; some don't. None have the courtroom stature of the major players in the industry.
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Chuck
Advanced Member
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Posted - November 20 2009 : 08:23:51 AM
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| In standard pressure I have found the 147gr Win. Ranger-T and Fed. HST loads to be very good. |
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Barnacle Bill
Average Member
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Posted - November 20 2009 : 11:02:03 AM
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Originally posted by WR Moore
General comment: I'd avoid the products of botique ammo makers for serious purposes. While some may produce a quality product, abide by SAAMI limitations(and have the lab tests to prove it) and carry insurance; some don't. None have the courtroom stature of the major players in the industry.
That's kinda the trick, isn't it? Who makes the grade? Obviously Federal, Speer, Winchester & Remington. On this board certainly Cor-Bon. Is that it? |
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WR Moore
Junior Member
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Posted - November 20 2009 : 9:58:21 PM
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I certainly think (hope) Cor-Bon qualifies as a major player, I expect Black HIlls and all the companies under the ATK/Blount umbrellas would too. If you could get copies of what LLEA considers acceptable sources, you'd have a leg up, but that kinda info probably isn't widely available. I do recall a sudden lack of interest from some people hot to supply our ammo needs when certified proof of insurance coverage and random QC pressure testing were demanded. [You guys act like you don't trust us. Matter of fact, Jack, we don't!]
I have memories of one botique maker with an excellent regional reputation, ads in some major gunzines and real purty boxes. They went down the tubes over hot loads in one specific caliber that repeatedly broke guns. Note: they were advised about those loads and ignored advice. One exercised customer went to H.P White and the lab results were mind boggling. He collected enough to pay the lab, buy some new toys and sufficient beverages to sooth his jangled nerves for quite some time.
Then there's some with names you never want associated with yours in a court of law. |
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Barnacle Bill
Average Member
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Posted - November 21 2009 : 1:40:24 PM
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Originally posted by WR Moore
I certainly think (hope) Cor-Bon qualifies as a major player, I expect Black HIlls and all the companies under the ATK/Blount umbrellas would too. If you could get copies of what LLEA considers acceptable sources, you'd have a leg up, but that kinda info probably isn't widely available.
As a non-LEO civvie, my only access to inside dope on any of this stuff is what gets posted in places like this. Now this particular board I know to contain folks who know their stuff, and I expect that if some random chairborne ranger was posting bum dope here that the folks I'm talking about would correct it pretty quick. So, this is where I come to learn stuff like that.
This matter (reliable ammo makers) does impact the question above because in the ammo shortage we can't always find the clearly trusted names. So, can we get specific?
I'm assuming three tiers...
1) Good for any purpose the load is intended to serve
2) Good only for practice/plinking
3) Stay away
So, let's say Tier 1 includes at least ATK (Federal, Speer, etc...), Winchester, Remington, Black Hills & Corbon.
What about these commonly encoutered names...
Aguila (Mexico)
American Tactical Imports (Turkish)
Bear (Russia)
Buffalo Bore
BVAC (Bitterroot Valley Ammunition & Components)
Centurian (Mexico)
Doubletap
DRT
Extreme Shock
Fiocchi (Italy)
Georgia Arms
Hormady
HSM (The Hunting Shack)
Magtech (Brazil)
PMC (Korea)
Prvi Partizan (Serbia)
SBR (Southern Ballistics Research)
Sellier and Bellot (Czech)
Silver State Armory
Ultramax
Wolf (Russia, excluding "gold" made by Prvi)
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WR Moore
Junior Member
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Posted - November 25 2009 : 2:59:05 PM
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I'm not real sure how any of us left Hornaday out of the list of major players.....We've used truckloads of Fiocchi (plant in Missouri) .223 ball, burns dirty, functions extremely well, does 1 MOA or better from my boltgun. Once upon a time I used cases of 9mm PMC without issue.
I've never used any of the others, heard Ultamax is in the category 3. There's a couple of others that either looking at their name or ads should give you pause about even thinking about going to court after having used their ammmo. |
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Barnacle Bill
Average Member
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Posted - November 26 2009 : 3:56:44 PM
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Originally posted by WR Moore
I'm not real sure how any of us left Hornaday out of the list of major players.....
Well, I can't find them even on the charts in Evan's third bok in any service handgun caliber. Their LE-only 5.56mm 75gr TAP load is the cat's meow in some AR circles, but you never hear much about them in the handgun context. |
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