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Arvinator
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 Posted - July 29 2008 : 9:26:15 PM
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Today's 9mm ammo is better than 10 years ago in my personal opinion. I have a few personal favories, In standard pressure the Federal 115 grain JHP, in +P I have used Golden Saber by Remington, and a few Corbons, and I currently carry +P+ Federal 115 JHP's. They say the DPX is a good round, I carry the +P+ due to the price I got them, and I also hear they are a decent round.
Good luck in your upcoming purchase, but I would not buy a new gun design till it has a few years under it's belt. In fact, I waited until 1995 to get my first .40 caliber! I also urge caution about buying at a gun show, I've met alot of good honest dealers, and a few clowns. |
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SCG1911
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - October 05 2008 : 05:22:01 AM
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I know several of you fellas like the Win 127gr +p+ 9mm. I was very surprised to see it for sale at Ammo To Go. They stated it was in limited quanities. So you 9mm fans better hurry if you need to restock. Man is it ever costly, but if is as good as I have seen tested it's probably worth it.
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"Political Correctness and Complacency are our greatest enemies today!" |
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9 Micky Mouse
Starting Member
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - October 06 2008 : 3:06:51 PM
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It's only a 9mm! Then let me shoot at you.
You must hit your intented target with every round you fire, thus neutralizing the threat and reducing your liability.
Praying and spraying the landscape does not solve your immediate problem and puts innocent people at risk. |
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Evan
Administrator
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Posted - October 06 2008 : 3:57:39 PM
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I like it just fine and my wife carries .38 PB in her .357 J Frame. The fact that the jkt seperates in gelatin does not mean it will in people AND even if it does it isn't signifcant.
I've seen all sorts of bodies in the morgue with jkt pieces thru the wound track-did not seem to make them less dead. |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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agent00
Junior Member
Austria
119 Posts |
Posted - August 10 2009 : 04:52:02 AM
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| My main defense load for my 9mm glock are the corbon powerball rounds, or the fioochi emb. I have tested both at the range andh ad never problems with them. But since 2008 the silly anti jhp law has lightend and as I am a member of the shooting club, I will use some sellier and bellot 115 grain jhps, as my defense load. This stuff would be much cheaper than the corbon or foochi loads. The ballistics of the selier&bellot load sounds promosing. I know that an simple jhp is old technology and there are much better jhp designs out there, but this more advanced jhp designs are very hard to get in my country, and they are very expensiv. |
Edited by - agent00 on August 10 2009 04:53:57 AM |
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106rr
Junior Member
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Posted - August 14 2009 : 04:27:43 AM
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I don't actually live in a foreign country but I do live in California. The Federal HST2 load is easiest and cheapest for me to get. Local PDs seem to think highly of it and it has tested very well in gelatin and through denim.
Golden Sabre and Hornady XTP are easily availble, both in expensive 25 rd boxes. Many stores are sold out of combat ammo in 50 rd boxes.
Dutch Loading
Locally, the bad guys have a habit of Dutch Loading their mags because it makes ballistic evidence less useful since there is no reference load for the lab to work with. They often just use different brands of FMJ. FMJ pentrates car doors very well-- a necessity for them. So Dutch Loding might inadvertently give the opposing attorney some talking points. I wouldn't do it locally here in California but I'm not telling anyone else what to do. |
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agent00
Junior Member
Austria
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Posted - August 14 2009 : 08:22:34 AM
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| Yes, I have only heared good thins about the federal hst rounds, but they are impossible to get here in austria. The only 9mm rounds from federal I can get are the old standard pressure 115 grain jhps or the 124 hydra schok load. mayby I will buy both rounds and test them in my glock, they would cost a bit more, but noch much.. |
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Arvinator
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - August 14 2009 : 08:38:05 AM
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| The "Old Federal ammo" of 115 grain jhp's is not a bad round. I liked them, and if I had them I would be worried. I do like the hotter rounds more, but the plain jane standard 115 jhp from Federal was no slacker in my thoughts. |
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agent00
Junior Member
Austria
119 Posts |
Posted - August 14 2009 : 12:41:04 PM
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| I am also the opineon that the federal 115 grain is an good load. I would also be intersted in getting the 9BPLE, but +p or +p+ loads are not very common here in austria. |
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CharlieX
Senior Member
USA
561 Posts |
Posted - August 14 2009 : 11:49:10 PM
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I wish that I had the time to have six "top" loads for the 9mm. 
I paid to have my CCW/SD/HD ammunition, the 9mm Hornady 147 gr. TAP "CQ" XTP JHP, tested against the F.B.I. test "protocols" and carry it without reservation and I am certain that it will do the job if/when I have to do mine.
It is also extremely accurate when fired from my Glock 17.
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Hook686
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - August 28 2009 : 12:51:54 AM
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Why does 147 grain 9mm ammunition, such as:
Buffalo Bore SKU: 24C/20 9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo
9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,175 fps/M.E. 451 ft. lbs.)
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Hook686
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Evan
Administrator
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Posted - August 28 2009 : 08:22:18 AM
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| can't recommedn what I've never used-I like their .38 snub loads-9MM? I'll stick with DPX |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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CharlieX
Senior Member
USA
561 Posts |
Posted - August 28 2009 : 12:50:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hook686
Why does 147 grain 9mm ammunition, such as:
Buffalo Bore SKU: 24C/20 9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo
9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,175 fps/M.E. 451 ft. lbs.)
get no respect ?
It sure has mine.
Launching a 147 gr. Gold Dot at 1175 fps seems to be a pretty effective dose of high velocity lead poisoning to me.
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wolfgang2000
Senior Member
USA
726 Posts |
Posted - August 28 2009 : 2:21:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Hook686
Why does 147 grain 9mm ammunition, such as:
Buffalo Bore SKU: 24C/20 9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo
9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,175 fps/M.E. 451 ft. lbs.)
get no respect ?
I would guess that there is still some hard feelings from the original 147 which were designed to be sub-sonic. IMO there were dismal stoppers. |
“The key is to hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit them repeatedly. The one shot stop is a unit of measurement not a tactical philosophy.” Evan Marshall |
Edited by - wolfgang2000 on August 29 2009 06:12:08 AM |
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agent00
Junior Member
Austria
119 Posts |
Posted - August 28 2009 : 5:10:32 PM
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I think so too. But nowerdays there are some decent 147 grain loads out there, but unfortatelly they aren*t available in jhp configuration. An shooting buddy uses the 147 grain fmj from federal for plinking and he is very happy with them. |
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M_E_
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - October 16 2009 : 10:02:52 PM
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Originally posted by CharlieX
quote:
Originally posted by Hook686
Why does 147 grain 9mm ammunition, such as:
Buffalo Bore SKU: 24C/20 9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo
9mm Luger +P+ Pistol and Handgun Ammo - (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,175 fps/M.E. 451 ft. lbs.)
get no respect ?
It sure has mine.
What are you shooting a 14 Speer Gold Dot out of to get those speeds?
Launching a 147 gr. Gold Dot at 1175 fps seems to be a pretty effective dose of high velocity lead poisoning to me.
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LtBlue425
Starting Member
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Posted - October 16 2009 : 10:34:01 PM
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Recently I had a lengthy conversation with a firearms examiner from a very large agency about different bullets and loads. I personally haven't seen any Golden Sabre used but he has seen a lot and they have trouble expanding in real life shootings. However he personally hasn't seen any DPX (or Corbon)and I have. He's seen the Winchester Ranger ammo used.
So...bottom line based on our personal observations. He carries Win Ranger 124 gr in his 9mm. I carry DPX/Corbon in my 380/9mm autos and Win in 45ACP. I've had a terrible time finding Corbon in 9mm all year so I recently bought the DPX bullets and loaded my own ammo. Now I feel better with my 9mm. |
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mag318
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - October 17 2009 : 12:08:23 AM
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| I still prefer Winchester 147grn Black Talons kna Ranger T. With good shot placement being paramount most of the discussed loads would be effective. I like this weight because I know it will penetrate even a heavily clothed bad guy. |
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Chuck
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - October 17 2009 : 02:51:29 AM
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I'd carry either the 147gr HST or Ranger-T without complaint.
I have the Ranger-T in my G19 right now, it's what the store had in stock in quantity when I bought the gun. |
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wolfgang2000
Senior Member
USA
726 Posts |
Posted - October 17 2009 : 12:55:40 PM
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My old dept. use to issue the 147 Talons / Ranger for 9MM. Mostly because the FBI said it would be great. It had a dismal "real" shooting record.
I finally bought some Ranger 127+P+ for my wife and I. I figured we had to be alive to be fired. |
“The key is to hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit them repeatedly. The one shot stop is a unit of measurement not a tactical philosophy.” Evan Marshall |
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Barnacle Bill
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - October 17 2009 : 3:11:32 PM
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| I recently learned that the nearest big city PD to me (let's call it the "Greater Ohio Valley", where the South & Midwest rub elbows) uses "Winchester 9mm 147gr". That was from a doc on their web site outlining authorized weapons & ammo for the department (weapon-wise it is S&W M&P & M&Pc). No mention of +P or +P+ in there, so I'm assuming they mean standard pressure. This region isn't big on PC like certain other areas, so I'm guessing they wouldn't be using it it didn't work. |
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agent00
Junior Member
Austria
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Posted - October 18 2009 : 05:17:18 AM
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| What do you think about the 147 grain winchester supreme T bullets? Are the as good as the ranger T series ore worth? 147 grain jhps are very rare here in austria, and I came across an very intersting offer. If they perform well I think I will buy them.. |
Edited by - agent00 on October 18 2009 09:01:12 AM |
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Evan
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Posted - October 18 2009 : 08:51:50 AM
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| I was never against 147gr loads-I was against loads that got coppers killed. the current crop of 147 would be fine for me IF DPX did not exist. To each his own. |
"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."
Harold B. Lee
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wolfgang2000
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - October 18 2009 : 09:01:19 AM
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Actually there is a lot of history out there, where ammo that wasn't the best was issued, especially when the lawyers get involved. I can remember when Dept's like the NYPD, LAPD, Detroit PD refused to let any HP ammo at all be carried.
Then there are the Dept's. that have little on no R&D budgets, and are "advised" by legal advisor's, or city administrators, to accept the R&D of organizations like the FBI. After all the FBI has to be right, in their minds.
The 9MM 147 grn. HP was originally designed for the sound suppressed sub guns, and the HP was more for accuracy, not expansion. But they met the new FBI cryterier, that was put in place after the 84 Miami shoot out.
The fact remains that the early 9MM 147 HP rounds were dismal stoppers in real life shootings. I understand that the newer crop of 147 are doing better. Great, I'll stick to the lighter 115 or 124 +P or +P+ rounds. |
“The key is to hit them hard, hit them fast, and hit them repeatedly. The one shot stop is a unit of measurement not a tactical philosophy.” Evan Marshall |
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LtBlue425
Starting Member
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Posted - October 19 2009 : 12:40:31 PM
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Circa 1990 the 147 subsonic hp was the "fad" or "recommended" load. Based on what I don't know because our experience was abismal failure, failure to open, failure to stop. When the Stopping Power book came out it confirmed what we knew. Actually I had suspicions about it before our unfortunate experience.
Because of that I've got a built-in prejudice against 147 grainers and slow bullets in general. I'll take fast moving, violently expanding bullets. |
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