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Uncle Mike Posted - December 05 2017 : 11:34:15 AM
Hi, Remington is bringing out a magazine fed 870. It's a six round magazine. Since my 870 holds 8 I don't see the point but this I'm sure will be a good seller, regards, Mike
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Jim Higginbotham Posted - February 24 2018 : 11:04:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Christian

Designing the magazines to require the gun be empty and slide back before inserting makes no tactical sense. Why design a system that requires the gun to be empty before reloading/topping off?



Precisely!

And we wonder why Remington is going bankrupt? Well actually I don't wonder

Jim
Evan Posted - February 18 2018 : 5:01:05 PM
Every time I pick up a current production 870 I put it right back on the rack and wonder what the crap happened to Remington?
gw Posted - February 18 2018 : 4:57:41 PM
two common feed way malfunctions in an 870

shell on carrier & double feed

shell on carrier, a shell gets past the shell latch with bolt forward, bolt wedged forward

flex tab on guns made after 1980 fixed shell on carrier, just rack the slide hard, tab on carrier flexed enough to let bolt back

chamber round and fire

double feed is 2 shells on carrier at same time, push bolt slightly forward, pinch carrier up to hold second round in magazine, pull bolt to rear, roll gun over and dump first round.

release carrier, push bolt forward, chamber second round and fire

user error or worn shell latches causes problems

DM magazine gun eliminates shell latches and shell carrier

no shell on carrier problem......



Chris Christian Posted - February 18 2018 : 1:33:20 PM
I can see the advantage of the detachable magazine when it comes to clearing a double feed jam in a tubular magazine shotgun. I refer to those as a "death jam". The smart move is drop the shotgun, transition to a pistol, or whatever other gun is handy, sort things out, and then retrieve the shotgun. I think, if I had those other options available, they would be my first choice as opposed to trying to find and open a pocket knife under that kind of stress to pry the rounds back into place.

I had that happen to me once, back before Remington cut the slot, and the Navy didn't know enough to modify our issue guns. I'm guessing that issue 870 is still at the bottom of the Ong Doc river. Fortunately, that time I had other firearm options handy.

If I was going to carry a 870 (not likely) I could see the value of a 8 to 10 round detachable magazine... not a lot of interference with maneuvering, but quick to clear a "death jam".

Evan Posted - February 18 2018 : 12:58:41 PM
I can't tell you how many cops had to die before Rem put a slot in the feed bar, so if a round popped out you could use a knife to push it back in place.

Rounds fired? I was working CSI and recovered 47 fired 12 gauge shells at one officer involved shooting with the Panthers!


gw Posted - February 18 2018 : 08:36:38 AM
there are advantages ( you can take that stupid side saddle off the receiver and carry reloads in a magazine pouch like your carbine or handgun....)

there is a Chinese clone , Dominion Arms Grizzly, in Canada that has been selling well.

at least one company (black aces) in Florida that is selling modified 870 receivers.

Why would Remington let that part of the market for it's 870 go when they can offer the same thing at a better price.

you make what people want.....
jle3030 Posted - February 18 2018 : 08:03:56 AM
But that's not the real idea is it? The idea is to come out with something new and different that will entice enough people into buying. My dad was an industrial sales rep. He opined that "You don't sell the steak; you sell the sizzle".

FWIW Suarez this week noted that he had never fired more than two shotgun rounds in a confrontation and the most he personally knew of was five.

Evan can probably comment on that.

Jeff
gauchobill Posted - February 18 2018 : 07:21:02 AM
Just another firearm offering that has no basic need or function that is better than the long tubular magazine. The tubular magazine can be reloaded at anytime before firing all rounds. The magazine is just an annoyance that does nothing to improve the basic offering.
WR Moore Posted - February 17 2018 : 4:07:12 PM
About gun bearers, remember Capstick's suggestion to stay behind on their pay or borrow money from them to give 'em good reason to keep you alive & kicking.

I bought an early 11-87, fitted extended magazine and light. Afterward was sorry I bothered, but it did make a great upper body workout. I think Surefire stole a pintle hitch off a deuce and a half for the light mount.
gw Posted - February 17 2018 : 11:23:00 AM
was handling one of the detachable magazine 870s this week, a friend works for Remington

one possible benefit is malfunction drill

the "870" double feed is not an issue with these things, you clear that type of malfunction just like any box magazine fed gun




revjen45 Posted - January 28 2018 : 11:56:45 PM
A 25-rd drum might be worth it...
LittleBill Posted - January 28 2018 : 11:36:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

I see there’s a version of the Tac-14 with a 6-rd detachable magazine.
...thus increasing the bulk and screwing up the balance on an already difficult to shoot gun...

The manufacturers seem to have lost the concepts of sleek, compact, and ergonomic. All the new stuff seems to have a plethora of jagged edges, protrusions, and all manner of anchor points for bolted on aftermarket accessories.

Jeff



Yeah, once I got mine ‘fully-equipped’— with a sidesaddle, vertical foregrip, red-dot sight, flashlight, and red and green lasers— it was pretty darn heavy....

That’s when I came up with the idea of hiring one of the neighborhood kids to serve as my gun-bearer— you know, like they do on those African safaris.... problem solved! He just follows me around, and hands me the gun whenever I think I might need it....

gw Posted - January 28 2018 : 10:33:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jle3030

quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

I see there’s a version of the Tac-14 with a 6-rd detachable magazine.
...thus increasing the bulk and screwing up the balance on an already difficult to shoot gun...

The manufacturers seem to have lost the concepts of sleek, compact, and ergonomic. All the new stuff seems to have a plethora of jagged edges, protrusions, and all manner of anchor points for bolted on aftermarket accessories.

Jeff




DM shotguns might be a solution in search of a problem......

they do simplify training of new recruits already familiar with box fed rifles

jle3030 Posted - January 28 2018 : 08:19:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by LittleBill

I see there’s a version of the Tac-14 with a 6-rd detachable magazine.
...thus increasing the bulk and screwing up the balance on an already difficult to shoot gun...

The manufacturers seem to have lost the concepts of sleek, compact, and ergonomic. All the new stuff seems to have a plethora of jagged edges, protrusions, and all manner of anchor points for bolted on aftermarket accessories.

Jeff
Ten Driver Posted - January 27 2018 : 10:40:30 PM
Mossberg had 590-series guns on display at SHOT with detachable magazines. The mags came in three sizes--5, 15, and 20 (!).
LittleBill Posted - December 11 2017 : 9:27:58 PM
I see there’s a version of the Tac-14 with a 6-rd detachable magazine.

gw Posted - December 10 2017 : 04:09:47 AM
the three round magazine is designed so the follower bottoms out fully loaded, there is not room to insert the magazine with the bolt forward.

this limits the gun to 3 rounds for hunting and allows the hunter to reload with a full 3 rounds rather than be liimited to a 2 round reload (a 2 round magazine would require the hunter to remove and top off the magazine after chambering a round to bring capacity up to a full 3 rounds)

I assume that's been explained to fish & game......
docglock Posted - December 09 2017 : 4:16:47 PM
If you go to Remington's site and play the presentation, skip ahead to 26 minutes and they explain the magazines. The 6 round can be loaded 6+1. The 3 round mag is designed differently and cannot be loaded 3+1. If it has 3 in it, the action must be open. If it has 2 in it, it doesn't matter if the action is open or closed. I'm just repeating what Remington says.
retfed89 Posted - December 09 2017 : 11:34:43 AM
Uncle Mike, read Robert,s series also, really enjoyed them.
I also think balance and handeling would be altered negatively. Mine shoulders smoothly, tracks nicely and never got hung up exiting a vehicle. Mine was made when Remington made quality firearms. I will not sell it, but pass it on, Should work for 3 or 4 more generations!
Ace I believe you are right about the deer knowing the dates.;b Retfed
Ace Posted - December 09 2017 : 09:48:45 AM
The young pups always want something new. BTDT? Don't matter, that old stuff doesn't work anymore; too many new titles for old methods, which makes it all more efficient or something. I'm trying to imagine some improvement with the new design, only thing that even comes close is carrying a lot of mags for spare ammo---oh, wait, isn't there something out there already, called a 'bandoleer'?

retfed, just in case you weren't aware, deer read the hunting regulations too. They know the dates. Ace
Uncle Mike Posted - December 09 2017 : 09:22:41 AM
Hi retfed89, when you mention Kittery you reminded me of Kenneth Roberts and his great series of novels, including Northwest Passage and Arundel. Just so were still on topic; I don't see a need for a box magazine. I also believe this will hinder the balance and make things more complicated. You can simply and easily change shells if you decide you need a slug with the normal magazine. YMMV, regards, Mike
retfed89 Posted - December 09 2017 : 12:33:40 AM
Not sure I'd want a detachable magazine 870. My 870 has a slug barrel, rifle sights and was bought used from the Kittery Trading Post in Maine almost 40 years ago. Was the only personally owned log gun we could carry on the job. Very well made and fitted.
Went through a Maine State Police shotgun course and found out could hit targets consistently at 75 and 100 yds with it. 5 round sleeve on the stock and 24 round bandalier were always with it It held 4 in the tube. Never felt undergunned with, functions and handles smoothly. I guess I am very old school as to what I want in a 12 guage. Maybe if I were a hard charging young guy on an entry team I'd want big magazine/double tube magazine super blaster.:-) Retfed
P.S. saw all kinds of deer when working, but never seemed to see one during hunting season. It could be used for recreational puposes too! ;-)
Chris Christian Posted - December 08 2017 : 5:32:57 PM
Thanks. That clears up my earlier misconceptions.

Chris Christian Posted - December 08 2017 : 1:23:16 PM
GW... I'm not sure I understand your above post.
You can load a magazine with the bolt forward, but only if the chamber is empty? If I understand that correctly it still means an empty gun load/reload.

How do you top off a partially expended magazine with that?

How would you quickly change from buck to slugs, without having the clear the gun?

I can understand the advantages with the magazine system in completely clearing the gun with less possibility for a ND.

But, I don't understand how this is a superior system to the extended tubular magazine.
revjen45 Posted - December 08 2017 : 11:52:15 AM
Given that the original tube mag holds 7-9 rds the this just makes the piece more cumbersome. I'll take the skinny version.

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