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| Nicolas Deem |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 12:36:06 AM
Today I got flagged down for a pit bull that was chasing people. To make a long story short I followed the dog to keep an eye on it till animal control got there. Dispatch took an hour to contact someone and during that time the dog got tired of me following him and came at me. I shot it in the front chest area with a Corbon 185 grain +P DPX round out of my Glock 21. It collasped and lost intrest in me. |
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| CharlieX |
Posted - October 25 2009 : 10:25:19 PM
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Originally posted by Nicolas Deem
Today I got flagged down for a pit bull that was chasing people. To make a long story short I followed the dog to keep an eye on it till animal control got there. Dispatch took an hour to contact someone and during that time the dog got tired of me following him and came at me. I shot it in the front chest area with a Corbon 185 grain +P DPX round out of my Glock 21. It collasped and lost intrest in me.
Had to put down a few dogs (pitbulls, rottweilers) through the duration of my career. It is(was) the one part of my job that I truly detest. Dogs should be used as "alarm systems" only and those whom train them to be "land mines with teeth" anger me beyond all reasonability.
Always had the benefit of a Remington 12 ga. 11-87 loaded with Magnum (15 pellets) OO Buck. It'll stop 'em sure enough, but about 50% of time it'll leave 'em still capable of "nipping" even though they are "down". Compassion demands a second shot for the sake of decency.
I've seen vicious dogs taken with service pistol calibers (9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP), but none that I've had the benefit of witnessing leave me with a positive feeling for the practice. |
| Gary1911A1 |
Posted - October 25 2009 : 2:07:12 PM
John, I bet that dog leaves you alone now and goes to hide when it sees you. |
| Japle |
Posted - October 24 2009 : 10:12:10 AM
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Yeah but when you have one running at you with it's teeth exposed it is hard to pick where to shoot them. You take what you can get and hope it takes them down.
About 6 years ago, I was in the back yard near the lake pulling weeds from around some trees. Over toward the East side of the lake I heard a woman yelling and saw a young Rottie running at me full tilt. He was snarling and barking and not acting friendly at all. I had time to draw my P3AT from a pocket holster and get lined up on the dog. No time to say anything. The dog was bouncing up and down, making a tough target. Nothing behind him except a willow tree and a stand of bamboo. At about 40’ I took the shot and was very lucky to hit the dog high in the right shoulder. He yipped, fell, tumbled and took off for his owner.
Good news: The dog wasn’t seriously hurt, although a trip to the vet was needed. The bullet just zipped under the skin, exited the rear of the shoulder and nicked the right rear leg.
No one called the cops. I should have. Dumb not to. Live and learn.
The owner apologized and took full responsibility. What a surprise that was!
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| Gray_Rider |
Posted - October 24 2009 : 01:43:01 AM
Lots of Pits here in Jax. Usually owned by rough looking people for rough situations. I have personally been attacked about six or seven times by several breeds, and once a Pit puppy tried to take my fingers off. I found a burst of pepper spray directly in front of their faces (not in their faces) stopped the attack cold and I wasn't bitten. I wouldn't want to try my luck like that again....
Gray_Rider
Deo Vindice! |
| Nicolas Deem |
Posted - October 22 2009 : 4:58:38 PM
Yeah but when you have one running at you with it's teeth exposed it is hard to pick where to shoot them. You take what you can get and hope it takes them down. |
| Lockjaw |
Posted - October 22 2009 : 3:19:47 PM
Is skull penetration an issue because usually the dog is charging head on? Seems to me a good neck/chest shot would put one down for the count as well. |
| Nicolas Deem |
Posted - October 22 2009 : 2:41:47 PM
When we had a SWAT team they would at times deploy shotguns on raids that there were risk of dogs. Generally they used Remington 870's with #4 buck. They use to use low recoil but I was told that the buck was having problems breaking through pit bull's skulls. I my AR with me loaded with Fedral Value Pack 55 grain FMJ's. But left it in the car since it would be against out department policy to deploy it on this. If it was dark I would have deployed it. |
| Lockjaw |
Posted - October 22 2009 : 12:34:53 PM
We seem to have issues with Pit's around here attacking people, and killing children. In fact the city I work is has talked about banning them for ownership.
All I got to say is if one comes towards my boys, all bets are off. I am not giving a Pit the benefit of the doubt. I was attacked at a public lake when I was 6 by a German Shepherd, so I don't really like them either. And no I wasn't doing anything to antagonize it, just running up down the bank to my next fishing spot.
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| psegnatelli |
Posted - October 22 2009 : 07:39:16 AM
Ralph that day sucks bad. It took me longer to get over my dog than my father. Doesn't say much about my father but worlds about my dog. |
| ralph |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 11:31:40 PM
Thanks, I don't come into contact too often in my current assignment, just something I've heard. I like dogs too, never been without one long since I was a kid. My choc. lab is 13 this month, why can't they live a long time like parrots. |
| psegnatelli |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 7:56:46 PM
Ralph, I've punched a few dogs in the head, nose. Sometimes it worked sometimes they just bit harder.
I really like dogs, I don't like hitting them, But sometimes drastic is needed. |
| ralph |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 7:12:11 PM
Psegnatelli: In you kennel days, did you ever hear that if a dog had a hold of you, to punch it in the nose? Supposedly even a Pit would release and take off from what I was told, never had the good fortune to try it though. I've heard the same thing about sharks, and I did see a diver send one running on a "Shark Week" show. But like people, there are sharks and there are SHARKS I guess. |
| Peter 40SW |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 4:21:34 PM
Sticking your hand down a pitbulls throat and yelling "I caught him!" just doesn't seem like my idea of a fun activity! Hopefully I will never have to try. I did get set to a call one time about a dog being left in a car during the summer. Upon arrival I saw that it was a panel van type vehicle with tinted windows. As I approached the vehicle a BIG great dane stuck his head out of the window and woofed at me which got the pit bull looking mix bouncing around next to him. Both ended up leaning out the window and barking at me. I thought the window was going to break and I was about 45 feet from my car.I then thought "Jeez, I "only" have a 9 mil, I'm going get killed! fortunatly everything worked out alright. I suppose I could have tried a double capture and stuck both my fists down their throats! |
| enidpd804 |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 2:46:43 PM
Nicholas, we get the same thing here but we also have the dog fighting crowd. We'll raid houses and see logging chains attached to weights in the backyard. The dogfighters make the dogs drag the contraption around the yard to condition them for a fight. I've personally made two cases on losers for dog fighting. One thing I've noticed is a strong correlation between dog fighters and drug dealers. |
| Nicolas Deem |
Posted - October 21 2009 : 12:55:33 PM
The dog did not die right away and I felt bad for it. It wasn't able to stand back up and so my supervisor gave me permission to put the dog down. I shot a pit bull mix a year or so ago with a 45ACP 230 grain Ranger T and hit it in the head. It dropped like a rock. Pit bulls in my area are bought for home defense and when the owners can't/ won't take care of them anymore they just let them go on the streets. |
| enidpd804 |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 9:51:19 PM
I'll leave those tactics to you gents. :) |
| Lockjaw |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 5:32:37 PM
If you can get ahold of their lower jaw, say lip them like a largemouth bass, they can't do anything either.  |
| psegnatelli |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 09:17:35 AM
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Originally posted by Evan
people who brutalize animals and children deserve a special corner of Outer Darkness.
Oh so true.
Pits are tough animals (as we all know). I worked with alot of different dogs, never had to shoot one, But I did have to choke out a rotty that was tryin to eat me.
Here's a risky risky move I've found effective with dogs that have latched onto flesh and won't let go.
If you can get your other hand in their mouth, Stick your hand in their throat and either grab the base of their tongue or make a fist and close off the windpipe. They either let go and puke or pass out.
I grew up in dog boarding kennel and never wanted to kill a customer's dog. A few wanted to kill me at times.
Cats are my nightmare. |
| Evan |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 07:52:09 AM
people who brutalize animals and children deserve a special corner of Outer Darkness. |
| Lockjaw |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 07:33:45 AM
Well I am learning something new then. I know they are pretty stout dogs, but dang, a +p 45 corbon???
Since pit bull incidents are increasing around here, I guess i need to make sure I have something with me besides my 380. |
| M_E_ |
Posted - October 20 2009 : 12:39:24 AM
Too bad about the dog. It must be done sometimes but it's never easy. Way too many pitbulls in the rescue shelters that never find a good home. Glad everything turned out OK. |
| knothole |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 10:47:06 PM
In Sep 2003 my Mother in Law was attacked by two of the neighbors pit bulls. The responding deputy shot the female from a distance of about 10 feet, one shot between the eyes, dropped instanly. The deputy shot the male between the eyes from about 20 feet, the bullet went over the skull and lodged there. He was shotting a 9mm and I think was shooting 124gn plus P. The second dog made it home and was later put down by animal control. |
| enidpd804 |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 7:00:21 PM
I concur, Evan. I have less sympathetic feelings toward their owners. |
| Evan |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 6:01:48 PM
I've always liked a higher percentage of dogs I've met than people. Involved in a number of dog shootings and found 40gr jhp .223 worked the best of all. always felt bad about killing a dog. |
| enidpd804 |
Posted - October 19 2009 : 4:42:43 PM
Oh...and good work, Nicholas. |
